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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Tuesday, May 18, 2021Twins broadcasters miffed at White Sox for swinging at 3-0 eephus pitch in blowout
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Posted: May 18, 2021 at 02:28 PM | 72 comment(s)
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1. . . . . . . Posted: May 18, 2021 at 03:56 PM (#6019433)It's better to have hitters swing; get the game over. The last thing anyone should want in a 15-4 game is a walk.
Regardless how one feels about baseball justice, I don't think Roy Smalley should be doing any ass drilling.
As criticisms go this is hardly strong. I don't have a strong opinion on swinging there but that's not exactly the Twins booth getting all worked up.
then MLB should either
A) implement a mercy rule
Or
B) give the pitcher an automatic strike at 3-0 when their team is down by X amount of runs to make it 3-1 so the batter can resume playing baseball
And if they don't support it, then I want to know why the other team is supposed to quit before their team did.
Anyway, I suppose the issue is this. It's a blowout but the count has still gotten to 3-0. At this point everybody is screaming in their heads "just throw one over the plate at 75 MPH!" and the batter is not supposed to swing at the 75 MPH pitch with a 3-0 count in a blowout. So "swing at anything close except the 75 MPH 3-0 pitch."
On the other hand, if Yermin had swung and missed the 50-MPH eephus pitch, he'd have been on the highlights. (He probably was anyway, eephus pitch is automatic highlight much less in a Astudillo-Mercedes match-up.)
What gets me is that if the result was a routine fly ball rather than a home run, no one would really care.
(Edit: Enjoy your Coke, Fred...and do The Snake for me.)
The writer immediately shifted to “TLR has lost the dugout” and speculating on his imminent demise. Has the writer checked their record and their overall play? Save the “dump TLR” articles until they at least lose a few in a row.
Then don't put a position player on the mound which embarrasses anybody he gets out. And don't throw an eephus pitch (which may not have been an eephus pitch, let's get a replay review or are the unwritten rules not reviewable?)
Or just chill cuz it's joke pitcher throws joke pitch in joke game
If he was given the take sign and ignored it, then TLR should be pissed.
Good to see he has his team's back.
If what Perry said is accurate in 25, Mercedes didn't miss the sign. He ignored the sign. Regardless whether you think the Sox should be giving signs in that situation, intentionally ignoring one is grounds for a skipper to be pissed.
There is no unwritten rule about 3-0 counts in blowouts. There never has been. This is just everyone getting to declare ancient unwritten guides to stuff that pisses them off. Everyone needs to stop ######## and moaning and just play.
If your player ignores your signs, punish him. Don't tell the other team they can drill him.
TLR is a fantastic manager and baseball mind. He's also a melodramatic sensitive #######.
I don't know. If I were a manager, I'd lean towards, if you ignore the sign and make out, you're in deep ####. If you hit a HR (or a double, etc.) I was wrong and you were right, no foul.
Just my two cents.
LaRussa going anti-Ozzie Guillen and selling out his players for doing good things is exactly what every gotcha sportswriter joked would happen when he was hired. At least 3 other White Sox players including grizzled veteran white guy and former Cardinal Lance Lynn have already publicly defended Mercedes.
The White Sox have the best record in the AL but also are tied for the MLB lead being 3 games under their pythag thanks to being 0-3 in extra inning games and 9 blown saves that can be heavily linked to poor bullpen and late lineup decisions and at times not knowing the rules. They could easily have 30 wins with someone like Terry Francona in charge.
https://twitter.com/RyanMcGuffey/status/1394861686130151424
https://twitter.com/fuzzyfromyt/status/1394801912436850689
https://twitter.com/ChicagoSports17/status/1394774261961789441
Sounds like we need another option, where a team can voluntarily say "we give up" and just walk off the field.
That would prevent everybody from having their feelings hurt when the winning team, you know, keeps playing baseball.
If I'm batting, I want to see if I can hit a HR off an eephus, just for the fun of it.
Or maybe I go up and try hitting lefty. That would probably also be considered "showing up" the other team.
Hard no. Teams will be giving up down 7-2 in the 6th to "save the pen". You charge admission, you finish the game.
From the Sun-Times:
“Big mistake,” La Russa said. “Just about the time the guy started making the pitch, I took several steps toward the field, yelling, ‘Take, take, take!’ It looked to me like he was going to swing. I was upset; that’s not the time to swing, 3-0.”
La Russa said third-base coach Joe McEwing gave Mercedes the take sign.
Tony really needs to shut up about this.
Tony really needs to shut up about this.
Concur.
Also the reason teams use position players on the mound in blowouts is to gain an advantage by saving their actual pitchers. There's no reason to privilege that advantage over your own guys.
100%, I was being facetious. I don't think any team would actually admit they are giving up to the point of walking off the field (even though putting a position player on the mound is doing just that), which is why I get annoyed when they expect the winning team to do so.
exactly.
As a manager, if I give a take sign, that needs to be followed, regardless of the result. If I'm giving stupid take signs, then the GM should talk to me or fire me. But my job is to manage, and if players ignore my directives, that's a problem.
Yes, but nowadays, the 6th inning in a blowout game is probably 3 and a half hours of baseball.
Here is the entire at bat on youtube
Astudillo threw 4 pitches in 22 seconds! There weren't any signs from the 3rd base coach. There were 6 seconds between the final two pitches.
I'm sure TLR is telling the truth about yelling insanity from the dugout as Astudillo was throwing the final pitch.
For the record, this applies in general, not necessarily to this specific situation where it seems TLR might be talking out of his butt.
If Astudillo had ended up walking a couple of guys, I'm sure the Twins (and LaRussa) would have been all over the Sox hitters for taking too many pitches against a guy who couldn't find the strike zone.
i'm basically on board with #36 ...
i really liked TLR as a manager, everything else meh.
This is ridiculous. This is LaRussa turning a non-story into a story and making it a multi-day story while he's at it.
So he's being consistent both with the made up "take sign" as well as not getting into any dispute about them throwing behind Mercedes. It makes sense from his stand pt.
What would be the absolute slowest you can throw a pitch and still have it pass through the strike zone? 40 mph? 30?
I would love to see the footage of 80-year old TLR keenly observing Mercedes loading up to swing, then sprinting "several steps" onto the field and yelling instructions . . . all within a span of one second, in the ninth inning of a blowout.
I'm not convinced it would be physically possible for an able-bodied person to pull that off in the required timeframe.
Managers that make stupid decisions, get ignored, get publicly ticked off about it are the problem not the players that wisely choose to ignore them.
STGDMFHU already, you drunken lying POFS.
Regards,
Me
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