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Sunday, November 28, 2021

Twins, Byron Buxton Agree To Extension

Hombre Brotani Posted: November 28, 2021 at 04:36 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 28, 2021 at 05:33 PM (#6055023)
I'm seeing 7 years, $100M. As the Twins you love the AAV, but it's brutal having a guy at a key position who misses >50% of your games. This looks a lot like the Aaron Hicks deal, and I imagine Twins fans will be ruing it in 2 or 3 years, just like the Yanks are.
   2. DL from MN Posted: November 28, 2021 at 05:50 PM (#6055029)
As a Twins fan I'm happy.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 28, 2021 at 06:17 PM (#6055037)
From Rosenthal:


More details:

$1M signing bonus.
2022 salary-$9M
2023-28-$15M per season

MVP bonuses, believed to be unprecedented, for every year of deal.

1st-$8M
2nd-$7M
3rd-$6M
4th-$5M
5th-$4M
6th-through-10th: $3M

Also: $500K each for 502, 533, 567, 600 and 625 plate appearances.
   4. Hombre Brotani Posted: November 28, 2021 at 07:31 PM (#6055053)
$45 million of his incentives are tied to MVP bonuses. This is a potentially great contract for Buxton, an absolutely great contract for the Twins.
   5. BDC Posted: November 28, 2021 at 08:10 PM (#6055061)
I know that plate-appearance incentives are allowed, but they always seem unethical to me. Meaningless but close last game of the season, both teams eliminated, Buxton's on the bench with 532 PAs, and a pinch-hit appearance that might help win that game will cost them half a million dollars.

Though I guess I've never heard such a thing mentioned in a game broadcast or story …
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 28, 2021 at 09:42 PM (#6055072)
I want to say something like that happened once and a grievance was filed?
   7. Walt Davis Posted: November 29, 2021 at 03:06 AM (#6055110)
Not that I remember any details but there have been a few "they benched me cuz ..." type grievances. There have also been a few cases where the team just paid it out anyway -- I want to say the Braves did that with Steve Avery ages ago, figuring that being cheap with him at the time would make them less attractive to future FAs. I want to say the Tigers did something similar near the end of Magglio Orondez's contract. All pretty hazy. You wouldn't get away with it if the guy is having a good season or you did something silly like remove him halfway through the last game of the year ... it's more the guys who are having crap seasons where the team has an argument for why playing time was drastically reduced.

The MVP bonuses here might raise objections/concerns from the union. They're a way of sneaking in some performance bonuses which the union has accepted before ... but these are huge relatively speaking. But they might not object -- Buxton needs some way to make real money if he ever gets healthy. But normally that's opt-outs ... you'd think Buxton at 3/$40 with an option for 4/$65 is what he'd want over this thing with the bonuses. This has a lot of upside for the Twins of course -- if he's a $25 M player but not quite a MVP vote-getter (maybe here or there) they get a huge bargain. (Are those for winning MVP or does he just have to finish 3rd or something?) He's in a league with Ohtani, Vlad, Trout, Semien, maybe Correa, etc.
   8. Darren Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:02 AM (#6055124)
Don't know about the Braves but the Red Sox had that happen with Avery. He was on a one year deal with an option that vested with a certain number of starts. He was pitching terribly and the front office wanted him removed from rotation but Jimy Williams insisted on keeping him in the rotation until he got enough starts.
   9. Jay Seaver Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:06 AM (#6055125)
There have also been a few cases where the team just paid it out anyway -- I want to say the Braves did that with Steve Avery ages ago, figuring that being cheap with him at the time would make them less attractive to future FAs.


If so, I think that happened to him twice - when he was in Boston, the team supposedly wanted to sit him for the last week of the season so an appearances incentive wouldn't apply, but Jimy Williams started him anyway, and everyone was mildly surprised that he wasn't fired immediately afterward. I can't imagine it going down that way again.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:23 AM (#6055127)
If so, I think that happened to him twice - when he was in Boston, the team supposedly wanted to sit him for the last week of the season so an appearances incentive wouldn't apply, but Jimy Williams started him anyway, and everyone was mildly surprised that he wasn't fired immediately afterward.


Instead, they allowed that lovely relationship between Duke and Jimy to fester for another 3 1/2 years, culminating in the glorious 2001 campaign.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:25 AM (#6055128)
There has been bad blood in the past based on bonuses and triggering options. Agents and teams don't seem to care much once it's time for contract negotiations, though.
   12. McCoy Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:34 AM (#6055130)
MVP based bonuses are always interesting to me because only 30 people vote for a league's MVP. With this amount of money at stake shenanigans could easily happen. Either from the player or from the voters.

I know previously the writers didn't want to be involved but it appears they lost that argument.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:35 AM (#6055131)
CC Sabathia missed an IP incentive (for $500,000) by two innings because he intentionally hit a batter and got himself ejected. Thought I heard the Yanks paid anyways though.
   14. Cris E Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#6055132)
At the end of 2014, Phil Hughes' last big year, he went into his last start at 201 innings pitched.

Hughes had a bonus in his three-year $24 million contract that paid him an additional $500,000 for pitching 210 innings. Yesterday, Hughes pitched eight innings, which pushed his season total to 209 2/3. Then the game was called after an hour-long rain delay. With only four games, and no starts remaining, Hughes will end up only one third of an inning shy of hitting his incentive.

"I was aware of it," Hughes said. "Some things just weren't meant to be. It wasn't 209 ⅔ It was 210."


Later that week:

With the Twins long out of contention, manager Ron Gardenhire offered Hughes a chance to record one more out in relief to collect his half-million. Hughes declined.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune has the story:

“I just didn’t think it was right,” Hughes said before the game against Detroit. “If I were fighting for a playoff spot, I’d 100 percent be available. But given the circumstances, I don’t think it’s the right thing to do.”…

“I owe too much to this organization for the next two years to risk getting hurt for an incentive,” Hughes said. “For whatever reason it wasn’t meant to be. There’s a lot bigger problems out there. I’m proud of my season.”
   15. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 29, 2021 at 10:45 AM (#6055134)
The MVP bonuses here might raise objections/concerns from the union.


It's kinda weird it is still allowed after that minor kerfuffle when Curt Schilling had a $1M bonus if he got ONE Cy Young vote.

Award voting-based incentives seems stupid to me. Baseball really needs to lift the prohibition on performance (actual performance, not based on playing time) incentives.

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