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Twins RHP Pineda given 60-game suspension

MINNEAPOLIS—Minnesota Twins pitcher Michael Pineda was suspended for 60 games Saturday for taking a diuretic, a big blow to the rotation of a first-place team heading toward the postseason.

Major League Baseball said Pineda tested positive for the banned substance and the suspension takes effect immediately.

Pineda, 6-foot-7 and 280 pounds, said in a statement he took an over-the-counter medication given to him by an acquaintance to help manage his weight. The pills contained hydrochlorothiazide, a diuretic that can mask other substances.

“Michael Pineda is a big member of this team in a lot of different ways, beyond the field as well as on it,” Minnesota manager Rocco Baldelli said Saturday before the Twins held a team meeting preceding their game at home against Cleveland. “Because of that, it does create a challenge. Our team has been pretty resilient with everything that’s been thrown at it to this point, and I think we’re going to have the ability to acknowledge this and process what’s going on and still continue to go out there and do our jobs.”

 

QLE Posted: September 08, 2019 at 12:22 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. bookbook Posted: September 08, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5877593)
Of course, penalizing players for taking medically necessary diuretics is absurd,
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 08, 2019 at 04:40 PM (#5877594)
Of course, penalizing players for taking medically necessary diuretics is absurd,


and if you believe his story, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.....
   3. Walt Davis Posted: September 08, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5877595)
MLB believed it enough to shave 20 games off the suspension.
   4. spycake Posted: September 08, 2019 at 06:49 PM (#5877608)
Of course, penalizing players for taking medically necessary diuretics is absurd,


Players can get exemptions for medical necessities.

What would be absurd would be to allow players to claim "medical necessity" -- without a prescription, even! -- after a failed test.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: September 08, 2019 at 09:19 PM (#5877629)
inform MLB of every recommended prescription you get. or anything you take.

anyone dumb enough not to do that in 2019, they get what they deserve.

now, if you want to object to this current state of affairs, that's a reasonable debate.

but just taking a prescription/non-prescription as a professional athlete without clearing it first - that's so stupid that the alternative suspicion of "masking agent" is Occam's Razor.

admittedly, a pitcher such as Pineda was was suspended 5 years ago for sneaking in pine tar deserves to be above suspicion but..

#cmonman
   6. base ball chick Posted: September 08, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5877637)
i can really understand how being all dehydrated with low blood pressure can be performance enhancing

good thing this terrible EVULLLLL drug got him a 60 games ban

he needs to get dehydrated the natcherill waY
   7. Jose Is Absurdly Chatty Posted: September 08, 2019 at 11:19 PM (#5877640)
I’m with Howie. If I were a MLB player I’d be tracking everything I put into my body. It sucks but it’s how it all works now so no reason not to be over cautious.
   8. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:17 AM (#5877702)
This is another one of those interesting situations where the suspension will span across into next season and Pineda is a free agent. I don't think this will really affect his next contract, as he's good enough to get a contract despite the suspension, and the signing team doesn't have to pay him during the suspension, but it probably does hurt his prospects a bit as teams know he won't be available for the first month or so of the season.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5877708)
I’m with Howie. If I were a MLB player I’d be tracking everything I put into my body. It sucks but it’s how it all works now so no reason not to be over cautious.

It's pretty simple. 1) Hire a doctor, 2) only take what they prescribe, 3) have the Dr. clear everything with MLB.

You don't have to track "everything". Just medications and supplements. You're not getting popped for taking Claritin.
   10. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5877714)
You're not getting popped for taking Claritin.


Fingers crossed that the generic brand I take one pill of every morning is what it says it is.

Though come to think of it I think we drug-test only for the hiring process ...
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5877715)
Fingers crossed that the generic brand I take one pill of every morning is what it says it is.

MLB players can afford the name brand stuff. I'm also pretty sure that if the player can produce evidence of an actual tainted drug, he'd get off.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5877716)
double
   13. base ball chick Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:54 AM (#5877724)
snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5877715)

Fingers crossed that the generic brand I take one pill of every morning is what it says it is.

MLB players can afford the name brand stuff. I'm also pretty sure that if the player can produce evidence of an actual tainted drug, he'd get off


- no, they don't. it is always their fault - even if they can get suspensions reduced like pineda did
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5877742)
- no, they don't. it is always their fault - even if they can get suspensions reduced like pineda did

If Pineda had a prescription for a drug that turned out to be tainted, he doesn't get suspended.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5877748)

What if they take a non-prescription drug, like Pineda did, and that ends up being tainted (which wasn't the case here)?
   16. bobm Posted: September 09, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5877752)
Wow. Pitcher suspended for cheating after having been suspended for cheating before.
   17. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: September 09, 2019 at 12:19 PM (#5877754)
MLB believed it enough to shave 20 games off the suspension.


How does this work? If MLB believed that it was medically necessary - and if they have an exception for medicines deemed medically necessary ex post - why was he suspended at all? Or, on the other hand, if they think it's not medically necessary - or if they don't have an exception for medically necessary medicines that aren't cleared in advance - why did it get reduced?
   18. Greg Pope Posted: September 09, 2019 at 12:20 PM (#5877756)

What if they take a non-prescription drug, like Pineda did, and that ends up being tainted (which wasn't the case here)?


Does this actually happen? I mean, is it actually possible that the Zantac that I'm taking has stanozolol in it? Obviously I would never know because I don't get drug tested, but it seems to me that the possibility of tainted supplements gets brought up a lot but I've never seen anything to show that can even happen.

Sure, if you're taking generic aspirin manufactured in Venezuela I could see it. And there are non-regulated supplements that you might buy at the health store. But anything that's FDA regulated has a pretty stringent manufacturing process and it seems really unlikely that a commercially produced drug in the US could be tainted. At that includes the generic equivalents.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5877765)

How does this work? If MLB believed that it was medically necessary - and if they have an exception for medicines deemed medically necessary ex post - why was he suspended at all? Or, on the other hand, if they think it's not medically necessary - or if they don't have an exception for medically necessary medicines that aren't cleared in advance - why did it get reduced?

It was supposedly an OTC weight-loss drug so I don't think he would have made a case for medical necessity. The article says

Pineda originally was suspended for 80 games, but the ban was reduced to 60 on appeal, as a compelling case was made that the banned diuretic he used was not a masking agent for performance-enhancing drugs, a source told ESPN's Jeff Passan.


I don't know how you would prove that but perhaps you can provide some corroborating evidence for the backstory, maybe you can show you've been recently tested and weren't on anything, who knows? According to Ken Rosenthal, it was reduced by an arbitrator, so there would have been some evidentiary procedure. Presumably they still upheld some suspension to deter other players from thinking they can get away with something similar. How they settle on 60 games I don't know.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:13 PM (#5877769)
Obviously I would never know because I don't get drug tested, but it seems to me that the possibility of tainted supplements gets brought up a lot but I've never seen anything to show that can even happen.

It was enough of a concern that MLB warned players about tainted sexual performance supplements just last month. I imagine it's much less common with FDA-regulated drugs, but in Spain recently, kids were developing "Werewolf Syndrome" after taking heartburn drugs that were contaminated with minoxidil (the drug in Rogaine).
   21. . Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5877776)
If the things come in multi-dose packages or allotments, maybe set one aside so it can be used and tested if you get whacked.

Of course, typically, the "it was tainted" excuse is BS.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5877777)
What if they take a non-prescription drug, like Pineda did, and that ends up being tainted (which wasn't the case here)?

Don't do that, unless it's produced by a major pharmaceutical company under FDA oversight.
   23. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5877785)
I didn't know that pine tar was a diuretic.
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 09, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5877790)
Pineda originally was suspended for 80 games, but the ban was reduced to 60 on appeal, as a compelling case was made that the banned diuretic he used was not a masking agent for performance-enhancing drugs, a source told ESPN's Jeff Passan.
If it’s not a masking agent, why is it banned?
   25. Cris E Posted: September 09, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5877798)
If I'm given a $$$ job where there are conditions for my employment I attend to them very closely. I'm currently using a corporate laptop, I don't drink at work, I dress appropriately, etc. If I know someone is collecting my pee and I can be sent home for half a year for mistakes then I get my cold medicine from the trainer. I sure as heck don't take anything weird, and I double sure as heck do not indulge in extra-curricular off-market weight loss remedies from my buddies. He's not some kid, he's been in the system for many years, he's been caught cheating before, he knows better, no excuse.

That said, this is not the first rodeo for this organization. Polanco last year and Santana in 15 makes three substantial suspensions in five years. Not a lot of teams can claim that number of games lost from front line starters due to flat out cheating.
   26. base ball chick Posted: September 09, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5877812)
they DO have exemptions for medically necessary medications

i mean, some people really actually DO have high blood pressure and not treating it is stupid

you have to see a physician who has to fill out a form that is sent to MLB so as MLB can APPROVE it.

not all meds are manufactured in this country you know - prescription ones. the FDA do0esn't check every batch you know
   27. base ball chick Posted: September 09, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5877813)
as for why is it banned? no sane reason any more

they ban other things that wonldn't nobody take anyhow. about the only thing that is NOT banned is estrogen and i'm surprised they don't ban progesterone or cholesterol because they are used to make testsosterone
   28. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: September 09, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5877824)
Huh. Michael Pineda. I'd forgotten all about Michael Pineda. He actually pitched more for the Yankees than I remembered.
   29. Bote Man Posted: September 09, 2019 at 06:47 PM (#5877890)
MLB player tests positive for something that might help him: SUSPEND HIM!! The cheater!!

MLB produces baseballs that provably travel farther than those used in previous seasons, upsetting holy sacred records: PLAY BALL!! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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