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Saturday, August 07, 2021

USA Baseball: Americans win silver medal following 2-0 loss to host nation Japan

Team USA lost 2-0 to Japan on Saturday in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics men’s baseball gold medal game.

The Americans, seeking their first gold medal in men’s baseball since 2000, had also lost to Japan to open the week. That defeat sent them to the losers’ bracket, and forced them to win contests against the Dominican Republic and South Korea to reach this point. (The Dominican Republic, it should be noted, defeated South Korea for the bronze.)

Below, you’ll find five takeaways from the gold medal game.

1. Morishita masterful
Japan’s efforts were paced in large part by right-handed starter Masato Morishita.

Morishita, a 23-year-old member of the Hiroshima Carp, dazzled against the Americans. He threw five innings, permitted three hits and no walks, and he struck out five batters and generated 11 swinging strikes on 81 pitches. Morishita’s excellent outing shouldn’t be too surprising; in 218 career innings in Nippon Professional Baseball, he has accumulated a 2.15 ERA and a 3.41 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

American starter Nick Martinez, by the way, delivered a quality start. He allowed five hits and a walk across six innings of work. He also punched out seven batters and coerced 15 whiffs. Martinez, who has pitched in the majors before with the Texas Rangers, is presently employed by NPB’s Fukuoka Softbank Hawks./blockquote>

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   1. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 07, 2021 at 11:14 PM (#6033431)
It might've been nice if (1) the US had taken this tournament seriously, with real star players (you know, like Japan did) and (2) and the Olympics themselves had taken it seriously. Only six teams, playing for just a week, because the same stadium was used for the softball tournament the previous week? Bleaugh!

Anyway, no base/softball in Paris. See you in LA. (Maybe.)
   2. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 08, 2021 at 02:03 AM (#6033435)
I follow Japanese baseball closely by reading game reports and studying stats, but I rarely get to see any games, so being able to see many of NPB’s stars play in these Olympics was a treat for me. My favorite NPB team, the Hiroshima Toyo Carp, is in fifth place in a six-team league, but they have two young star pitchers, and I got to see both of them pitch in the Gold Medal game. It was the first time I’ve ever got to see either of them pitch, and I was impressed with both of them. Masato Morishita, who won last year’s Rookie of the Year Award in the Central League, started for Japan, and as noted in the excerpt, got the win, going five shutout innings, allowing only three hits and striking out five. He showed a great assortment of pitches, including a curveball that just dropped in its tracks. Rookie closer Ryoji Kuribayashi was given the responsibility of closing out the game, over all of the veteran pitchers on the Japanese team, an amazing show of confidence in a first-year player. He pitched a scoreless ninth inning to earn the save. In Japan's five wins, Morishita and Kuribayashi each had two wins, and Kuribayashi had three saves. So that has to give the Carp hope for the future – to have the top starter, and the top reliever, for the Gold Medal winning team.
   3. OsunaSakata Posted: August 08, 2021 at 07:58 AM (#6033437)
The channel Next Level Sports has NPB, but only the Pacific League so the Carp aren't there. That's how I got my baseball fix during the All-Star Break.

Next Level Sports also broadcasts a thing called the Simulation Football League.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: August 08, 2021 at 09:01 AM (#6033439)
I think sending AAA and recently retired guys is about the right level for the American Olympic team. I don't want the MLB season to take a 3-week break every 4 years.
   5. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 08, 2021 at 09:54 AM (#6033440)
The Carp also have Seiya Suzuki, who bears a certain resemblance (statistically speaking) to Mike Trout.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 08, 2021 at 11:07 AM (#6033442)
I think sending AAA and recently retired guys is about the right level for the American Olympic team. I don't want the MLB season to take a 3-week break every 4 years.

I agree. No team is letting their good pitchers compete in any case. Baseball is just not an Olympic sport. If we had stories of Babe Ruth blasting a 500 ft. HR in Berlin, and giving Hitler the finger, we'd feel differently. That's just not how history worked out.
   7. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 08, 2021 at 12:16 PM (#6033446)
Baseball is just not an Olympic sport. (...) That's just not how history worked out.

History starts anytime you want it to.
   8. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 08, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6033458)
Agree with #7. I'm not sure baseball is an Olympic sport, either, but the idea that we can't have new things or change old things is loathsome.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: August 08, 2021 at 06:25 PM (#6033470)
Any short-term baseball tournament is something of a silly idea (the playoffs are a crapshoot). This is nearly always partially acknowledged in their structure which is almost always at least double elimination (or 5-7 game series). I mean we've decided that 162 games isn't enough to determine the best baseball team. Basketball works a bit better simply because the spread in talent tends to be much wider. Ironically hockey and soccer work precisely because the games are almost always close so the tension makes up for the fact the lesser team often wins. Anyway, yeah, baseball doesn't work in the Olympics.

(Maybe if Minneapolis had ever hosted the winter ones, we could have had baseball in the MetroDome and MLBers could play. I wonder what month they'll play the Brisbane games.)

The Olympics are sruggling for relevance. They still draw the ratings it seems but, judging by Australia, the coverage is so thoroughly tilted towards the nationalistic** that it's not clear what the point is. A lot of the events are weird of course and decreasing numbers care about many of the traditional events. Apparently weightlifting is gonna be cut in half in Paris ... and I think I read the US sent just 4 lifters. (That's more than partly due to all the cheating in weightlifting.) Given nearly all of these sports have some sort of world championships already, what's the point of the Olympic competition.

** I don't mean nationalistic in the serious political sense, just in the "nobody cares about anybody but Australian athletes and let's pretend this guy who's gonna finish 8th has a shot" sense and virtually ignore sports where Aussies aren't involved.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 08, 2021 at 06:27 PM (#6033471)
The Olympics are sruggling for relevance.

I wish the Olympics would show more weird, but traditional events. Archery, Hammer throw, Javelin, discus, shooting. The gimmicky events (BMX, skateboarding, etc.) need to die in a pit of fire. Events that have bigger stages (baseball, golf, tennis, soccer) make little sense.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: August 08, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6033472)
"women's" skateboarding just had a 12-year-old girl and a 13-year-old girl on the medal podium for second and third place.

not to go all John Lennon here, but "Imagine" Olympic Games where the minimum age was 18. hundreds - and presumably thousands - of young girls might not have been abused by coaches if the parents didn't have a shot at getting rich on the back of their little Susie Loo Hoo.

we know the downside of having youngsters miss out on their adolescence in pursuit of medals. what's the downside of a minimum age limit?
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 08, 2021 at 06:46 PM (#6033473)
not to go all John Lennon here, but "Imagine" Olympic Games where the minimum age was 18. hundreds - and presumably thousands - of young girls might not have been abused by coaches if the parents didn't have a shot at getting rich on the back of their little Susie Loo Hoo.

we know the downside of having youngsters miss out on their adolescence in pursuit of medals. what's the downside of a minimum age limit?


100% Howie. Hell, make it 21.
   13. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 08, 2021 at 07:32 PM (#6033477)
Any short-term baseball tournament is something of a silly idea (the playoffs are a crapshoot).
Any short-term anything is a silly idea. Why is Olympic boxing just a one-off? Everyone has literally a puncher's chance, so how meaningful is that medal? Or for that matter, any other medal? The inability of reasonably bright people to accept that the goal of the tournament is just to win the the tournament is baffling to me.
   14. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 08, 2021 at 07:34 PM (#6033479)
not to go all John Lennon here, but "Imagine" Olympic Games where the minimum age was 18. hundreds - and presumably thousands - of young girls might not have been abused by coaches if the parents didn't have a shot at getting rich on the back of their little Susie Loo Hoo.
There would still be the Junior Olympics. The problem here isn't that the sport doesn't have an age limit, but that the sport has disgusting humans as coaches, and athletes have terrible parents that live vicariously through their kids.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: August 08, 2021 at 07:43 PM (#6033480)
has anyone ever gotten an endorsement deal for winning a medal in the Junior Olympics? I doubt it.

we can't get rid of disgusting humans, but we can take away a lot of incentives regarding how kids grow up.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: August 08, 2021 at 07:51 PM (#6033483)
has anyone ever gotten an endorsement deal for winning a medal in the Junior Olympics? I doubt it.


If the junior olympics are seen as a pathway to the senior Olympics, you'll see the same icky behavior.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: August 08, 2021 at 10:43 PM (#6033492)
I don't see it, at all.

with gymnastics, there is a chance that your prodigy could generate millions in revenue by age 14 or 15.

but if there is no chance of that, the dynamics change drastically.

a tween girl cannot decide, necessarily, whether she spends most of her waking hours training.

it would be incredibly risky for a psycho parent/coach combo to force all that onto a kid who then wins Junior Olympics medals - with the risk that they quit when they turn 18. you need to make the money before the girl has a seat at the decision table.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: August 09, 2021 at 01:00 AM (#6033502)
I don't see it, at all.


Reread Shohei's 14. Parents and coaches act that way regardless when the payday is.

   19. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: August 09, 2021 at 08:16 AM (#6033505)
I coach youth baseball. One of my guys is a terrific kid and a great player. His parents are incredibly nice and friendly. Dad has an ongoing 4 year game of tag going with a couple of the younger siblings.

They are also ####### lunatics. The kid had to miss a team pool party so he could "stay home and think about his performance." After a game in the State tournament where he went 2 for 3 and made a great defensive play he had to do 25 burpees in the parking lot. He runs laps around the field after games. It's insane. He's a great player but he's also not going to be a Major Leaguer and HE'S 12 YEARS OLD!
   20. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: August 09, 2021 at 08:21 AM (#6033506)
I wish the Olympics would show more weird, but traditional events. Archery, Hammer throw, Javelin, discus, shooting. The gimmicky events (BMX, skateboarding, etc.) need to die in a pit of fire. Events that have bigger stages (baseball, golf, tennis, soccer) make little sense.


I'm with you on preferring some of the "lesser" events. I prefer to watch the stuff I don't normally watch. It's just a lot of fun. I strongly disagree on the "gimmicky" events though. Some of those are a lot of fun. Everything was a gimmick at one time and every tradition was new at one time.

As for the bigger stage events, I don't watch them usually but they also seem very popular. I happen to be someone who loves the World Baseball Classic. Replacing that with the Olympics would be fine with me. As a soccer fan I enjoy the Olympic soccer. I don't care about the basketball or tennis or golf but honestly I don't really care about the "real" versions of them either so that's not them it's me.
   21. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: August 09, 2021 at 08:33 AM (#6033507)
I love the Olympics, though I do not watch sports like baseball, basketball, or soccer, because those sports have showcase events that are better. Plus I have way too much other stuff to watch. I will give any sport a try a couple of times. The Rhythmic Gymnastics group finals were actually weirdly interesting, with hoops and stuff and crazy choreography. And of course, I love all the volleyball events, especially beach volleyball.

Once every four years, I will try most sports. Record as much as I can on the DVR and zoom through the nonsense.
   22. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 08:51 AM (#6033509)
Reread Shohei's 14.

Reread Howie's 17.
   23. OsunaSakata Posted: August 09, 2021 at 10:09 AM (#6033518)
I would watch whitewater and sport climbing if they showed it on television. I stumbled onto sport climbing watching the Olympic trials before the pandemic hit. I thought it made for compelling television.

This morning the Olympic Channel is no longer on a premium tier. They're showing the Vuelta a Espana, the Spanish version of the Tour de France, recorded from October 2020.
   24. pikepredator Posted: August 09, 2021 at 12:25 PM (#6033530)
I wish the Olympics would show more weird, but traditional events. Archery, Hammer throw, Javelin, discus, shooting.


Third'ed. Also Ping pong and badminton, stuff we've all played and can easily watch in awe. Fencing OTOH needs to be presented purely as slo-mo, or changed up entirely. Maybe suits of armor and legit swords so we can hear the sound?
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: August 09, 2021 at 12:32 PM (#6033532)
Reread Howie's 17.


No need. Parents don't need that immediate payoff to be nuts about this ####. It's not limited to gymnasts.

Don't get me wrong - I like the idea of a minimum age. And you might see some of the worst abuses curbed. But thinking that it's going to make much of a dent on the awful parent/coach problem, I don't think so.
   26. DL from MN Posted: August 09, 2021 at 04:20 PM (#6033558)
It is a little depressing to repeatedly hear how much these athletes have sacrificed in their singular goal for Olympic success. There were even mentions for a couple older athletes that their mental stress improved when they were able to add a little balance to their lives.
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6033560)
I like the idea of a minimum age. And you might see some of the worst abuses curbed. But thinking that it's going to make much of a dent on the awful parent/coach problem, I don't think so.

I guess we'd both like to find out either way.
:)

when puberty is considered an inconvenience to your chances for ribbons and medals, we have a problem.

any beginning sportswriter is prone to write in a high school sports preview something like, "The Dinguses were decimated by graduation both on the offensive line and in the secondary."

to which a grizzled copy editor has to explain, "Kid, I thought graduation was the POINT of high school...."
   28. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 09, 2021 at 05:23 PM (#6033569)
when puberty is considered an inconvenience to your chances for ribbons and medals, we have a problem.
Of course we have a problem, it's one we've been having for the last eight decades of the Olympics. Teenage girls consistently score better than their relative elders. Sunisa Lee just turned 18 a few months ago. Simone Biles won her first international all-around gold when she was 16. Nastia Liukin was 18 for her Olympic gold. Carly Patterson was 16. Mary Lou Retton was 16. Nadia Comăneci was 14. It'll be tough to boast about Olympic gold when everyone knows the the Junior Olympic gold medalist is superior performer. And when they DO win, nobody says, "Damn, these girls are too young," they're the National Sweetheart.

It's not that sports are gross, it's that people are gross. Young women are sexualized by just about everyone everywhere, not just in gymnastics.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 05:36 PM (#6033578)
well, I'm not new to this - I found the whole sport creepy beyond belief dating all the way back to Comaneci.

of course my other pet peeve is that there are WAY too many swimming events, allowing the elite swimmers far more opportunities to win medals than those in any other sports. what's unique about swimming? the more medals a single athlete wins, the more obvious the point should be. a short race, an intermediate race, and a long race for men and for women - that seems sufficient. and ok, a relay.

Now, I'm cool with Carl Lewis winning gold in sprinting and in the long jump - because I don't recall anyone else having done that.
   30. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 09, 2021 at 05:46 PM (#6033580)
Now, I'm cool with Carl Lewis winning gold in sprinting and in the long jump - because I don't recall anyone else having done that.


Jesse Owens, 100 meters, long jump, 200 meters, and 4 × 100-meter relay in 1936.
   31. SoSH U at work Posted: August 09, 2021 at 05:56 PM (#6033581)
a short race, an intermediate race, and a long race for men and for women - that seems sufficient. and ok, a relay.


Would you allow for different strokes, or is it just a freestyle event?
   32. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 09, 2021 at 06:12 PM (#6033585)
well, I'm not new to this - I found the whole sport creepy beyond belief dating all the way back to Comaneci.
Chrissy Everet. Peggy Fleming. Michelle Wie. It's pretty much every sport. Also, movies and television, singing and dancing, going to school, eating lunch, etc. It's not a sports thing, it's a culture thing.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 06:48 PM (#6033589)
but none of those sports actively try to prevent the girls from reaching puberty. that is a huge difference, not that there aren't issues in those sports as well. (Evert; I do realize it often sounds like Everet.)

it's legally difficult to prevent young people from making a living at something they excel at. it seems to me that the Olympics could stand apart, however, in a really good way.

"Would you allow for different strokes, or is it just a freestyle event?"

it's not that complicated: here is START and here is FINISH. who cares what stroke you use to do it?

the high jump didn't add a second event when the Fosbury Flop came along, and that was more revolutionary than modifying a swimming stroke that seems to allow the same competitors a chance in each event. here is the bar, now jump and land without the bar falling off.

if they had street hockey, and all the best teams were the best ice hockey teams, then no. if it's a different set of competitors, then I could see it.
   34. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 09, 2021 at 07:08 PM (#6033593)
It is a little depressing to repeatedly hear how much these athletes have sacrificed in their singular goal for Olympic success. There were even mentions for a couple older athletes that their mental stress improved when they were able to add a little balance to their lives.


Have you guys read about Ichiro's childhood? There was a great SI article about it some time ago. His dad bought him a glove when he was three years old, and told him that it's not a toy, it's a tool. And then made him do hours of drills before and after school every day until he was drafted by Orix. In an interview a couple of years before he retired he said it "bordered on child abuse"; they asked what he'll do once he retires and he said "I think I'll just die."
   35. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 09, 2021 at 09:38 PM (#6033607)
I'd like to see Olympic baseball as an under-23 tournament, like soccer. Maybe make a roster spot or two for aging (35+) stars, too.
   36. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 09, 2021 at 09:46 PM (#6033609)
but none of those sports actively try to prevent the girls from reaching puberty. that is a huge difference, not that there aren't issues in those sports as well.
But isn't that the price of winning? Prep athletes destroy their bodies in all sorts of ways that we condone and celebrate. The number of prep pitchers who get Tommy John surgery makes my stomach drop. High school football concussion rates are ever-rising. Athletes who want to compete in college have to be great in high school which means there's a few million 13-16-year-olds punishing their bodies in the name of sports. I don't think putting an age limit on Olympic sports is the cure for wrecking young bodies in the name of athletic greatness.

My friend's daughter's Under-12 softball team is going to be playing for their league championship on Bally's Sports West this coming weekend. According to her coach, she “didn’t even have her best stuff as she had to pitch a lot yesterday, but she is a bulldog and came up big when it counted." By "yesterday," he really meant the previous three days, since she threw a complete game every day of the four-day tournament. She's 10! This is the American normal. We say we have a huge problem with this, but you can't tell by *gestures at everywhere*.
   37. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6033610)
well, I was greatly appreciative of how honest Michael Jordan was both before and during the epic "Last Dance" ESPN series about the 1998 Bulls. I lost count over the years of how many people would ask me, "What's he really like?"

what he was (and likely still is), is an ####### - as demonstrated in the series (and stipulated that for him, it was worth it to get back in the limelight as the much more grounded though imperfect LeBron James began to take over GOAT talk). but nobody wanted to hear that. same with Tiger Woods, who I found to be even worse.

obsession is so frequently mistaken for "dedication" and "perseverance."

also stipulated that this a huge problem. but whatever their complicated home lives were, Jordan and Woods hit their peak as actual young adults. they got to choose their assholeness over a long period of time, whereas especially female gymnasts get exploited basically until they reach adulthood. the career arc gives them almost no power (2021 Biles being an "old-timer" exception. she presumably went for another run at gold because she - not family or coaches - got to make her own decision.)
   38. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 09, 2021 at 10:33 PM (#6033612)
whatever their complicated home lives were, Jordan and Woods hit their peak as actual young adults. they got to choose their assholeness over a long period of time, whereas especially female gymnasts get exploited basically until they reach adulthood. the career arc gives them almost no power
This is more a result of the sports marketplace being what it is.

I'm mostly just saying that an age limit on Olympic competition wouldn't cure what ails the Olympics.
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 09, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6033613)
Would you allow for different strokes, or is it just a freestyle event?


Nope, no allowance for other swimming strokes. Freestyle is the fastest and that's what you'd use if there were only races based on distance.

It's like allowing the "on your knees", "bear crawl" or "backward" 400 metres race. All the different swimming strokes is inane.

And they should definitely get rid of walking. I'm a 56 year old man who can run 20K faster then the men's winner in this event. It's ridiculous.

As for minor events, if you ever played badminton in your yard, try watching the doubles in the Olympics; its awesome.

   40. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2021 at 11:48 PM (#6033621)
in college, I played men's doubles racquetball with my buddies.

not at the Olympic badminton level, obviously, lol

but when all four of us were on our games, it seemed like the points would never end.

a short ball would be saved by a diving player - and the return would come back, somehow, from the teammate.

by that time, the "short ball man" was ready to take on the entire court as well.

we only did it for a year - maybe in part because it was so intense and in part because in an enclosed structure, we kind of figured out all of each other's moves. but it was a very good year.

...........

"It's like allowing the "on your knees", "bear crawl" or "backward" 400 metres race. All the different swimming strokes is inane."

It pains me to admit that my Pele-like dominance of HS gym period crab soccer mainly was due to the lack of interest from most of my classmates. still, they can't take those 6-goal, 4-assist games away from me !
   41. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 10, 2021 at 12:42 AM (#6033624)
The gimmicky events (BMX, skateboarding, etc.) need to die in a pit of fire.

Those are the sports that actual young people actually DO. And enjoy. And love.

I've never met a person who has ridden a bobsled, and barely any who have thrown a javelin.

I'm meet hundreds if not thousands who have ridden a BMX or a skateboard.

Kill the "traditional" sports that only exist because of the IOC/USOC/NBC oligarchy.

   42. villageidiom Posted: August 10, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#6033680)
I wish the Olympics would show more weird, but traditional events. Archery, Hammer throw, Javelin, discus, shooting.
Third'ed. Also Ping pong and badminton, stuff we've all played and can easily watch in awe. Fencing OTOH needs to be presented purely as slo-mo, or changed up entirely. Maybe suits of armor and legit swords so we can hear the sound?
NBC (or their basic-cable subsidiaries) showed those events in the mornings. Handball, badminton, archery, weightlifting, etc.

In America they save for primetime the events Americans seem to want to watch: men's basketball, women's gymnastics, swimming, and more women's gymnastics. But they've been good for many years now at using their volume of airtime to show everything.

If you mean that they should show more of the oddball stuff when you're watching, well, Peacock was streaming a lot, and had available for replay pretty much everything, throughout the Olympics.
   43. OsunaSakata Posted: August 10, 2021 at 11:39 PM (#6033776)
And they should definitely get rid of walking. I'm a 56 year old man who can run 20K faster then the men's winner in this event. It's ridiculous.


The predecessor to racewalking drew thousands of spectators in the 19th century. If people play it and people watch it, the sport should remain. Preference should also be given to sports that don't require specialized equipment. In no universe should wrestling be dropped in favor of modern pentathlon.
   44. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 11, 2021 at 09:23 AM (#6033796)
I would get rid of all the stoner sports in the Olympics on the general principle that events that are won on the field of play are preferable to events with panels of judges and, since we already have "volleyball," is there any reason "beach volleyball" also exists, except of course for T&A?
   45. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: August 11, 2021 at 09:40 AM (#6033799)
well, Peacock was streaming a lot, and had available for replay pretty much everything, throughout the Olympics.


One of my biggest frustrations during the Olympics (and honestly in general with streaming) is figuring out where and when to find stuff. As often as not the listing on the Fubo guide was wrong, then the NBCSN app was inconsistent and Peacock just generally was a pain in the ass.

Does something exist that allows you to create your own guide? I feel like this is an obvious app that must be out there. Something where I pick my streaming services and channels that I care about and it gives me schedules while eliminating stuff I don't care about.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 11, 2021 at 10:08 AM (#6033803)
Those are the sports that actual young people actually DO. And enjoy. And love.

I've never met a person who has ridden a bobsled, and barely any who have thrown a javelin.

I'm meet hundreds if not thousands who have ridden a BMX or a skateboard.

Kill the "traditional" sports that only exist because of the IOC/USOC/NBC oligarchy.


I've never thought the Olympics were about the Sports everybody plays, they're about the weird sports nobody plays. Baseball, soccer, tennis, golf, etc. are not traditional Olympic Sports.

Frankly, we can see those sports played on a higher level elsewhere. The Olympics used to be primarily a Track and Field/Gymnastics/Swimming event, with some other oddball things thrown in.
   47. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 11, 2021 at 11:34 AM (#6033817)
IDGAF about the Olympics one way or the other, beyond always looking forward to two days after the closing ceremony, when non-NY Times sports pages return to prioritizing American team sports. YMMV and all that, and I can't really argue against the ratings.

It might've been nice if (1) the US had taken this tournament seriously, with real star players (you know, like Japan did)

Right, let's interrupt the MLB season for three weeks, just when it's getting interesting, just so we can shout USA! USA! USA! IN YOUR FACE! to Japan and the Dominican Republic, and then spend even more time in stupid arguments about which countries our star MLB players should be representing.
   48. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 11, 2021 at 06:08 PM (#6033901)
Right, let's interrupt the MLB season for three weeks, just when it's getting interesting, just so we can shout USA! USA! USA! IN YOUR FACE! to Japan and the Dominican Republic, and then spend even more time in stupid arguments about which countries our star MLB players should be representing.


Replace Japan and the Dominican Republic with Russia and the Czech Republic and this is exactly what the NHL does every four years and I love it. Perhaps it's because the tournament is a lot more competitive and the US isn't a favorite, but the international best-on-best format of the Olympics is so much fun. I think the nature of baseball makes it less interesting as a tournament sport, so it probably wouldn't be quite as interesting. But if the major league baseball season took a break, I would have watched a lot more Olympic baseball than I did.
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: August 11, 2021 at 06:17 PM (#6033902)
Replace Japan and the Dominican Republic with Russia and the Czech Republic and this is exactly what the NHL does every four years and I love it.


They used to, but the NHL didn't halt the season in 2018, and it doesn't sound like that's going to change.
   50. Buck Coats Posted: August 11, 2021 at 08:03 PM (#6033924)
I mean - baseball does do this already. It's called the WBC. It's great. Why would we want them to have to interrupt the season for a second tournament?
   51. John Northey Posted: August 11, 2021 at 08:13 PM (#6033926)
I'd love to see the Olympics play around with Baseball a bit - rather than standard, with minor leaguers and has beens, lets have something innovative. 3 inning games, home run contest with pitching machines so all pitches are identical to each batter. A fielding contest with a pitching machine tossing balls to random locations within a certain range for the player to field. Baserunning contest - who can run the bases fastest. Pitchers throwing to targets - first a strike zone, then smaller and smaller targets - whoever hits the smallest wins the gold.

Lots of options, given the games don't mean much to 'real' fans lets make it something non-fans can get into and real fans can laugh at and enjoy once every 4 years. Basketball now has the half court thing which was kind of fun to watch, why can't baseball be creative too?
   52. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 11, 2021 at 09:08 PM (#6033940)
As long as they leave MLB players out of it, they can play in mascot uniforms and barrister wigs FATIC.

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