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Vaxed, waxed, and ready for the WEEKEND OMNICHATTER!, for September 24-26, 2021

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Hombre Brotani Posted: September 24, 2021 at 02:40 PM | 141 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 24, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6041484)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!
   2. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 03:07 PM (#6041485)
Ho-hum, another Goldschmidt homer. No 30, Cards up 2-0 in the third.
   3. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6041490)
Following two batters after a two-run pinch-hit homer by Jose Rondon, Tyler O'Neill hits another two-run homer-- *his* 30th---and the Cardinals lead 6-0.

Cardinals have three 30-homer hitters for the second time (2004).
   4. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:08 PM (#6041491)
Because of baseball's weird rules, Alex Reyes---with his one scoreless inning with the Cardinals up 6-0---is in line for the win (despite the starter exiting with the lead and only nine outs left to get).

If Reyes does get the win, he'll be 10-8 in 2021, which seems like an awful lot of decisions for a pure reliever these days.
   5. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:12 PM (#6041492)
Edmundo Sosa's neat little trick of letting inside pitches hit him (17 hbp, 3rd in NL) may have just bit him: he exited after being hit on the wrist and immediately ran into the clubhouse. Wouldn't be surprised if his 2021 season is over.

Could be a huge blow to the Cardinals, considering how well he's played (3.3 bWAR, 2.2 WAA in just 315 PA) in place of Paul DeJong.

   6. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6041493)
OK, Reyes is coming out for the 6th, so if he gets the win he'll be more deserving now.

EDIT: Maybe not, just gave up a 2-run homer to Sergio Alcantara.
   7. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6041495)
I'd like to see the official scorer use his/her discretion and give the iwn to Happ, despite his only going four innings.

With the Cardinals leading by two, he loaded the bases with just one out but then struck out the next two hitters to preserve the lead, his last batters faced before leaving after four scoreless innings with 7 Ks.
   8. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6041496)
AND ALEX REYES GRAZES A BATTER TO END THE CARDINALS HISTORIC 21ST-CENTURY STREAK!

That is the Cardinals first hit batter in more than a month, and their 31-game streak with no hit batters is the longest in MLB since the Padres' 32-game streak in 1992.

Prior to the Cardinals' streak, they were actually on pace to set a new MLB record for most hit batsmen, currently held by the 2003 Devil Rays (95) and threatened by this year's Cubs, who have 93. That one by Reyes is the Cardinals 83rd of the year.
   9. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:37 PM (#6041497)
Uh-oh, all this talk of who will get the win is assuming a win, and Bader just let a two-out liner sail over his head, allowing two runs to score and closing the gap to 8-4. And the Cubs are still batting with a runner in scoring position in the bottom of the sixth.

EDIT: and now a double, another run, 8-5.
   10. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:39 PM (#6041498)
Apparently they gave the batter a double on the ball over Bader's head, but it should be an error, as he ran in several steps, stopped, and ran back as the ball went over his head. I guess technically that's a "misjudged fly ball" but it's an error nonetheless.
   11. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:40 PM (#6041499)
OK, three outs, now just three more outs to get.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:44 PM (#6041500)
That is the Cardinals first hit batter in more than a month, and their 31-game streak with no hit batters is the longest in MLB since the Padres' 32-game streak in 1992.

Prior to the Cardinals' streak, they were actually on pace to set a new MLB record for most hit batsmen, currently held by the 2003 Devil Rays (95) and threatened by this year's Cubs, who have 93. That one by Reyes is the Cardinals 83rd of the year.


This has to be statistically significant, doesn't it? That kind of turnaround can't happen by chance.

In related news, Padres reliever Austin Adams has continued to hit guys to a record pace. In September, he's plunked six batters in just four innings. He's also allowed eight runs in those four innings.
   13. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6041503)
This has to be statistically significant, doesn't it? That kind of turnaround can't happen by chance.

They did jettison a bunch of wild arms, but still most of the same guys who'd been hitting batters remained, and they all stopped hitting batters.

As of August 5, they'd hit 78 batters in 108 games, a pace of 117 (current record is 95, by the 2003 Rays). When their streak began, on Aug 21, they were still on pace to hit 110 batters---or 28 more over the rest of the season's 41 remaining games. They hit zero, until today, and it was by the thinnest of margins, a thread scraper.
   14. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 05:02 PM (#6041504)
Thirteen in a row, tougher than it needed to be and too bad Gallegos got used in a game in which the Cardinals were up 8-0 with six outs to go, and in the first game of a doubleheader amid a stretch of 11 games in 10 days.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 06:16 PM (#6041509)
After yesterday, O'Neill isn't even having the best September on his own team---check out Goldschmidt:
.329/.422/.684 for an OPS of 1.106, with 24 runs in 21 games, 7 hr, 14 rbi



And he went 2 for 4 today with a hr and 3 rbi, O'Neill could only go 1 for 4 with a hr and 2 rbi.

Cards with an 8 to 5 victory to extend their streak to 13, going for 14 tonight.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: September 24, 2021 at 06:18 PM (#6041510)
Split double-headers are anathema. Split 7-inning double-headers is just diabolical.

Meanwhile ESPN has an article up in which Hoyer claims the Cubs are going to be "very active" in the FA market. Granted, he doesn't say whether that means real players or a large set of 1-year fill-ins so he's probably not technically lying. But what a silly statement. He also went a bit far in refusing to commit to Wisdom, Schwindler and Ortega -- it's fine to use the old "everybody has to win a job" line but to mention that their age is a concern seems a bit much. (In fairness, that might have been part of the question.)

Anyway, there's no way to build from the current Cubs' roster to a competitive team. Even TB would find it challenging -- they'd have better pieces already in place. And given the Cubs have almost nothing in the high minors, the obvious (and correct) move is to see if those guys can repeat next year since they aren't blocking anybody anyway. It is sort of a "problem" for the Cubs:

C -- Contreras/Amaya
1B -- Schwindel
2B -- Madrigal
SS -- Hoerner
3B -- Wisdom
OF -- Happ/Ortega/Heyward/Brennan Davis at some point
bench -- Bote, Alcantara

That's a terrible team but they've got "might as well see what they can do" guys at pretty much every spot. A real CF or at least a real corner that pushes Heyward to the bench would be nice. And obviously you could sign real players for any of those IF/OF spots and still find solid playing time for Hoerner, Schwindel, et al.

For the record, I will be thrilled if we can get one average starter and one solid 400-PA bench player out of Schwindel, Widsom, Ortega, Hoerner
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6041511)
This has to be statistically significant, doesn't it? That kind of turnaround can't happen by chance.
Fixing the HBP prop bets, eh? Maybe Manfred needs to consider some suspensions?
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: September 24, 2021 at 06:22 PM (#6041512)
The Cardinals were 15 games behind earlier this month. They have a tiny chance of winning the division, given that they have 7 games left against Milwaukee.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 06:28 PM (#6041515)
Split double-headers are anathema. Split 7-inning double-headers is just diabolical


I said pretty much the second part today. I don't have an issue with split dh, but then they should be complete games.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 07:12 PM (#6041519)
The Cardinals were 15 games behind earlier this month. They have a tiny chance of winning the division, given that they have 7 games left against Milwaukee.


That walk off grandslam by the Brewers pretty much really ruined any outside chance of the Cardinals winning the division. Not that there was any chance even then, but that is a two game magic number swing there, and if the Cardinals win that game, the magic number is now five and not three, with the Brewers only having 6 games against a non-Cardinal opponents(three of which is probably a busting for a division Dodgers)... (and there are only 3 games remaining between the two, they just completed a four game series)
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:03 PM (#6041522)
There seem to be quite a few Yankees fans at Fenway, with lots to cheer about so far tonight. 6-0 in 3rd, with Stanton’s 3-run HR the big blow. Could get some carryover benefit for the rest of the series if they can use up the Boston bullpen some.
   22. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:12 PM (#6041523)
Could get some carryover benefit for the rest of the series if they can use up the Boston bullpen some.


The irony is that being up 6-0 early pretty much guarantees you'll see the worst guys from Boston's pen. Definitely a Perez siting is due. No sense in Cora throwing anyone decent out there unless the Sox manage to peg back the lead in the next couple of innings.

The winning streak is not looking too good at this point.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6041524)
Bases loaded one out, Molina hits a ball that might have been a great catch by the centerfielder, but he didn't quite make it. 2-0 Cardinals.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:16 PM (#6041525)
Single by Bader makes it 3-0... still first inning.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:23 PM (#6041527)
Two BB (and 2 runs) for Juan Soto in 2 PA, so far tonight. One more BB ties Mel Ott for the all-time BB through the age-22 season. Ott had more than 700 more PA to get to his mark. Of course, Soto is also prominently featured in numerous other categories on that Age-22 Leaderboard, including OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, HRs, Runs Created, among others. Only inner circle HoFers in that territory.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:28 PM (#6041529)
3-2 first inning, the Cubs aren't rolling over just because it's Flaherty pitching.
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:34 PM (#6041530)
The irony is that being up 6-0 early pretty much guarantees you'll see the worst guys from Boston's pen.
Well, the assumption was that those guys have some value. I suppose it’s different if it’s all negative.

Safe to assume that the Red Sox will ditch their “lucky yellow uniforms” if they don’t make a comeback tonight? Maybe that tropical art deco look would work for the Marlins, but it has to be just about most unredsoxy design imaginable.
   28. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:39 PM (#6041533)
Flaherty and Hudson don’t seem to be ready for Prime time. But its good to see them back. They could strengthen pen if they can knockoff rust
   29. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:40 PM (#6041534)
So Patrick Wisdom on a 55-60 HR pace? And yet people say he’s not very good ?
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:49 PM (#6041536)
Goldschmidt is pretty unstoppable right now, I'm curious what his War is going to be after today, he started the day at 5.7. (he's so far 4 for 6)
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#6041537)
Meanwhile O'Neill doesn't want to be showed up as he hits a three run homerun to make the game 6-2 Cardinals in the second. (just his 10th homerun in September)
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:06 PM (#6041540)
Noooooooootbaaaaaarrrrrrrr!... 7-2 Cardinals.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:09 PM (#6041541)
DeJong makes it 8-2.....
   34. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:12 PM (#6041543)
Bob Odenkirk is the Cubs' booth guest this half inning, and he's very good up there.
   35. salvomania Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:12 PM (#6041544)
His fandom is evident.
   36. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:22 PM (#6041547)
Patrick Wisdom is not very good. He can hit a few homers, but that's his only offensive skill, and he's 30.
   37. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:24 PM (#6041548)
A few? 55 HR pace is a few ? It’s a weird world where 50 HR guy is considered garbage
   38. Nasty Nate Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:25 PM (#6041549)
Jesus every post gets stupider than the last
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:29 PM (#6041550)
I don't know about the 55 hr pace, I think if you look at his career number you might get a decent view of what to expect, 30 hr player with a 110 ops+, playing decent third base. A guy who probably projects as an overall average player or a tad more over the next couple of years with more upside than downside. At the cost, why not just plan him for the position next year and look to plug holes at other spots.
   40. Mike A Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6041551)
Braves are playing in San Diego as the home team, at least for the first game (they are resuming a game that was started in ATL).

When these teams last met, the Padres were at 93% to make the playoffs, the Braves 8%. That has changed.
   41. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6041552)
There's a world of difference between being on a 55-homer pace and actually hitting 55 homers in a season.
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:38 PM (#6041553)
Cardinal announcers are talking about Hudson, and how he feels he is fully healthy, and he's done the rehab thing and has not shown any issue.

I like this Flaherty starts, Hudson relieves as the option, until we get faith in Flaherty. But if things pan out, the Cardinals might have a really good rotation going into the post season, and if they manage to win the one game playoff game, they have a chance to be as likely to win a series as any team in baseball.
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6041555)
Bader double, Nootbar with a single, 9-3 Cardinals, I'm liking the odds.
   44. Mike A Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:44 PM (#6041556)
And somehow the Braves brought the Atlanta rain with them for the first delay in San Diego since 2017.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:52 PM (#6041558)
And somehow the Braves brought the Atlanta rain with them for the first delay in San Diego since 2017.


That is just hilarious.
   46. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 09:54 PM (#6041559)
It’s not like he’s had a 50 at bats and hit 10 homers. Hes been blasting homers for 350 at bats. He’s done it his whole career. His other stats are not awesome but he’s in a great ballpark to do what he’s doing. I expect he’ll hit 40-50 next year too. For a second division team he’s a great player to have.

The one he hit tonight was gargantuan.

He’s a lot like Voit and everyone hates him too. The Cubs should pick Voit up this winter. Yankees have decided they like Rizzo more.
   47. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6041561)
Looking at ROY wisdom is probably 2nd or 3rd. If he had played a whole season he’d be neck and neck with India right now. But he’s sucks so no one would vote for him anyhow
   48. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6041562)
Cabrera puts out a huge fire. Cards just need six more outs to get out of a DH win without burning out their bullpen
   49. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:13 PM (#6041563)
Yankees have decided they like Rizzo more.
That may depend on the $$ & years, although I suppose there may have been some unreported progress on that front.
   50. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:14 PM (#6041564)
Is Voit hurt ? I haven’t seen him in a box score for a week it seems
   51. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:20 PM (#6041565)
NL Cy race scrambled in last week. Scherzer, Buehler, Urias all with subpar starts. Gausmann and wainwright with bad starts. Wheeler and Burnes doing ok but Burnes just isn’t pitching as much as everyone else. Alcantara moving up as is Charlie Morton. Lot of great performances in 2021.
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:26 PM (#6041566)
Bader with a 3 for 4 night and a homerun to make it 10-4
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:27 PM (#6041567)
Nooooottbaaaarrrr with a two homerun game to make it 11-4.
   54. Mike A Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:28 PM (#6041568)
Argh, Braves lose yet another 1-run affair thanks to a Tatis HR and Albies' shot dying at the warning track.

And it leaves me to ponder if 7-inning games are worse than extra-inning free runners.
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:29 PM (#6041569)
It really feels like they are not going to lose another game this year. (okay that is a lie, but it's been a nice run)
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6041570)
And it leaves me to ponder if 7-inning games are worse than extra-inning free runners.


I hate the 7 inning thing if the game is remotely in doubt. I know it's baseball and technically no game is impossible to come back, but anything that is within 4 runs with two innings to go, is still within doubt in my opinion.
   57. stanmvp48 Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6041571)
Juan Soto just walked for the 134th time this season. I believe the post-Bonds season high was 143 by Votto a few years ago
   58. Mike A Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:34 PM (#6041572)
Snitker continues using Will Smith in high-leverage situations despite Will Smith being awful in high-leverage situations (7 HRs in his last 19 innings, zoinks).
   59. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6041573)
Juan Soto just walked for the 134th time this season. I believe the post-Bonds season high was 143 by Votto a few years ago


Votto's the only active player who's drawn more than 134 walks in a season.
   60. stanmvp48 Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6041574)
And then they walk Josh Bell and Luis Garcia singles in two runs to tie it
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6041575)
Goldy for today 5 for 9, hr, double, 4 rbi, 3 runs scored.
   62. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:44 PM (#6041576)
Phillies closing in on Braves which means Braves could show up as a last minute WC contender
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:49 PM (#6041578)
14 games in a row, franchise record streak. Magic number is now 4 for the Cardinals.
   64. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6041579)
With the Yankees beating Boston, while the Twins topped Toronto, the Yankees have a 2-game lead for the 2nd AL Wildcard, and move within 1 of the 1st Wildcard. More baseball to follow.
   65. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 24, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6041583)
4th BB for Soto, this time intentional, in 11th, passing Mel Ott for #1 on the Age-22 Career Leaderboard!
   66. stanmvp48 Posted: September 24, 2021 at 11:39 PM (#6041585)
If I understand correctly, the Braves will have to make up a rained out game with Rockies if they are a half game ahead of or behind Philly. Depending on the outcome they would have to play Philly for the division. Conceivable that this could affect the wild card but extremely unlikely
   67. The Duke Posted: September 24, 2021 at 11:39 PM (#6041586)
Reds and Phillies win but lose .5 game in WC race. Padres could either lose a game or stay even tonight
   68. Walt Davis Posted: September 25, 2021 at 03:04 AM (#6041593)
Nobody hates Wisdom. Stop being a moron.

Wisdom Aug-Sept: 196/268/448, 89 OPS+ (with a 45% k-rate)
Wisdom pre-season ZiPS projection: 223/292/411, 82 OPS+
Wisdom ZiPS RoS: 228/296/453, 98 wRC+
Wisdom Steamer RoS: 213/286/412, 85 wRC+

Given the season's almost over, the RoS projections should be basically the 2022 projections except the (mild) age penatly hasn't been applied yet.

It is certainly true that Wisdom hits the ball very, very hard. Alas, he does not hit it very often. If he's on a 50-55 HR pace then he is also on a 275-300 strikeout pace. That's rather a lot of strikeouts.
   69. phredbird Posted: September 25, 2021 at 04:39 PM (#6041634)

cards down 2 in the seventh? no worries, they just start the inning with 4 straight hits to tie it.

this is some turnaround since earlier in the year.

dejong with a sac fly scores bader from 3rd, now they are ahead.
   70. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:12 PM (#6041635)
Jesus Christ the Cubs are an abomination.
   71. phredbird Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6041637)

that double play only works if you run the benny hill sax music behind it ...

;-)
   72. salvomania Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:31 PM (#6041639)
Double play, where both outs are rundowns. That is literally classic!
   73. phredbird Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:42 PM (#6041640)

cards win!

wotta game ...

good night and good luck!
   74. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:50 PM (#6041644)
Two games in a row in which Bader came up to bat and just needed a triple for the cycle. Didn't make it either time.

Edit: oops I was wrong on that. (For some reason I thought he only had a single in the ninth not the double)

   75. The Duke Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6041653)
15 in a row - hard to believe for a team with a weak starting rotation
   76. MY PAIN IS NOT A HOLIDAY (CoB). Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:14 PM (#6041657)
WTF is a Darwinzon?
   77. Walt Davis Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:25 PM (#6041662)
Stopping by hours late just to relieve the rundown.

There is a thought process that should go through a runner's head when caught in a rundown:

1. Are there less than two outs?
2. Are there other runners on base?
3. Am I Javy Baez?

If the answers are "yes" "yes" and "no" then your only goal is to stay alive as long as possible to allow other runners to advance. Bote instead of continuing to head home to draw a throw or at least get run down failed that test by trying the ol' deke and spin that only works like 1/3 of the time even if you are Javy Baez.

If you are a runner on 2nd base when a runner is caught between 3rd and home, your thought process is pretty simple:

1. How does my speed compare with Nelson Cruz?

Assuming that is a reasonably favorable comparison, the runner should advance to third. Of course it would be helpful if the runner caught between bases was not about to get himself out more quickly than he needed to.

If you are the batter coming into first base, your thought process is pretty simple:

1. I should advance to second if at all possible
2. However, since the play is right in front of me and I play for the Cubs, I should check to make sure the guy on second isn't still uselessly standing 3 feet from the bag. How stupid will it look if we run into a double play on a rundown?

Oh well, not like the Cubs were gonna win that one anyway.
   78. salvomania Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#6041664)
For the record, the scoring on that 8th inning Cards-Cubs DP with the tying run on 3rd and the go-ahead run on 1st:

3-2-5-4-2-8-6

Molina was involved in both the 3rd-home rundown of the runner on 3rd, and the 2nd-3rd rundown of the runner coming around from 1st base.

On the replay I was shocked to see Bader in there, which I hadn't noticed in real time. Just a ridiculous play.
   79. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:55 PM (#6041673)
Yankees 5-3 win ties them with the Red Sox for the 1st Wildcard at 88-67, with 7 games to go, although not really since Boston already has the tie-breaker by wining the season series. Still time for lots of interesting things to happen.
   80. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:04 PM (#6041675)
Two BB for NL MVP-In-Waiting Juan Soto, and it’s only the 3rd inning. Reds appear to have decided pitching to Soto is counterproductive after his 2-Hr game. Soto’s September is the best month by OPS (1.427 going into today’s game) in franchise history, including the Expos era.
   81. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:05 PM (#6041676)
Shoutout to Ranger Suarez for a 3 hit SO to move the Phils within 1 game of the Braves. He’s now throw 99 innings of 1.45 ERA. It took the Phils a long time to decide to use him as a starter. I’m sure this season is not repeatable but he’s been keeping them afloat.
   82. Howie Menckel Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:10 PM (#6041677)
of course, it's not as if no team in the past 100 years hasn't had more consecutive W in Sept/Oct than these Cardinals.

for instance, there's the 1935 Cubs with 21 (MLB Network incorrectly listed the "1935 Pirates".)
and..... okay, that's the whole list.

Sept. 4-27 was the 1935 Cubs streak to climb from third place at 79-52 into first at 100-52, putting them 4 games up on the Cardinals with 2 to play.
the Cards then snagged the final two, meaningless, games of the regular season and the Cubs lost in the World Series.

Cubs future HOFers included C Gabby Hartnett, 2B Billy Herman, and OFs Chuck Klein, Kiki Cuyler, and Fred Lindstrom, (and HOMer Stan Hack).

1Bs Charlie Grimm, who debuted in 1916, and Phil Cavaretta, who lasted in MLB until 1955, also were on the squad.

as per the custom of the era, only 13 H had more than 26 AB and only 9 P tossed more than 23 innings.
   83. MY PAIN IS NOT A HOLIDAY (CoB). Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:11 PM (#6041678)
I will die on the hill that Gio Stanton is some sort of wizarded "Franken-golem", but when Stanton smash, ball go far.


Stanton GS
   84. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:31 PM (#6041683)
On the replay I was shocked to see Bader in there, which I hadn't noticed in real time. Just a ridiculous play.


I was in my car when it happened and the radio announcers were so enamored with the concept that literally all nine Cardinal fielders were on the infield when the inning ended. And I'm thinking "what happens if there is a bad throw?" I get it's cool, but you might want to have someone backing up because there were still two live runners at all point in time.

At the same time, it's only fitting in that game that Harrison Bader was involved in that play.
   85. The Duke Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:48 PM (#6041687)
The rundown had some odd parts. Did Arenado tag the first runner? It looks like no to me and he was called out for being out of baseline. The cardinals don’t do rundowns well. The player with the ball always throws too early and the receiver of the ball is never moving towards the runner to close the gap. It’s pretty hard to screw it up even if you do it wrong but I’m amazed at how bad they are at the fundamentals of the rundown
   86. The Duke Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:58 PM (#6041689)
Lane Thomas is the latest ex-cardinal to turn from a frog to a prince post-trade/release You have

Catcher: Carson Kelly
1B. Luke Voit
2B. Kolten Wong
SS
3B. Patrick wisdom
OF: Arozarena,Pham, adolis Garcia, laneThomas
SP: Lance lynn , sandy alcantara, Zac Gallen, Luke weaver, Austin gomber
RP: Crismatt, Ron Gant, Marco gonzales, Adam ottavino, mike Mayers

No obvious SS but there are many stories about Tatis sr begging the Cardinals to sign Tatis jr and they declined.

   87. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:00 PM (#6041690)
Harrison Bader has never won player of the week, not sure if he actually can, but here is where he is at right now, with one game to go.

Rate wise .560/.592/1.00/1.592 (assuming I'm not messing up the math) (27 pa, 25 ab, 14 hits, 2 hr, 5 doubles, 1 walk and 1 hbp)
All told he has 14 hits in 25 at at bats, with 2 hr, 5 doubles, 5 rbi, 9 runs 2 stolen bases and of course playing gold glove quality defense in centerfield (with one mistake) And still one game to go for the week.
   88. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6041691)
Lane Thomas is the latest ex-cardinal to turn from a frog to a prince post-trade/release You have


Your definition of frog to prince is interesting. Pham, Wong, Lynn, and a few others were already prince like when they left. I mean I made comments that Lynn was a legit possibility for 300 win pitcher simply because he was good enough to pitch on a team like the Cardinals going forward. They might have improved a bit in some weird way, but it wasn't like they were frogs. Wong is in his first season with a new team, and no matter how you construct it, is probably at best his third best season of his career(and depending on how you look at 2020, maybe his fifth best season of a 9 season career) But his stretch from 2018-2020 with the Cardinals on average is absolutely superior to what he's done since he left. And Pham has not remotely touched his 2017 season with the Cardinals since he left. Lynn in 2015 was at 61-39 at age 28, it's a stretch to think he is a 300 winner, but if you look at the history of 300 winners, he was on the 10% trajectory type of thing, a guy who could do it if things worked out without any hiccuups. (injury, recovery year and 2020 destroyed that chance... but in another universe, he doesn't miss 2016 and gets 16 wins, 2020 doesn't happen and he gets another 10 wins and we are looking at a 34 year old with 150 wins and pitching like a legit ace now... still a 10% longshot vs a 2% longshot that he is now)
   89. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:24 PM (#6041694)
After getting walked 11 times in the last three games, Ohtani gets a pitch to hit, and triples in a run, and then scores on a groundout.

He is the World's Most Special Boy.
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6041695)
I know the Cardinals have no chance at the division, at the same time I keep watching the Brewers game.... That damn grand slam.... Without it, there is a slight sliver of hope, but that grand slam gave the Brewers the division. I don't think anyone thought it "really" mattered at the time, but now it really might have mattered. It was a great moment for the Brewers, but at the time it was just a moment that cemented their eventual division championship.

Now it's looking like that if that didn't happen, there is a small possibility the Brewers are actually playing for games that matter (They still make the post season no matter what, but I am talking about there is an 8% possibility that the Brewers are the wild card team without that damn grand slam.... as of now, there is something like a .05% possibility that they are the wild card)
   91. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:36 PM (#6041700)
Since 1895 - when even Andy was but a lad - John McGraw’s .433 OBP has held a Top 3 slot on the Age-22 Career OBP Leaderboard, #1 for decades before being passed by Jimmy Foxx (.434) & Ted Williams (.475). That changed today when Juan Soto reached base in his 1st 3 PA, raising his OBP to .434, and relegating McGraw to 4th, at least temporarily.
   92. The Duke Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6041701)
Pham was mostly a role player. He had 1.5 season as a starter preceded by years in the minors. He’s now an established starter. He did have one excellent season for us the year before traded

Lynn was a middle of the rotation starter churning out 2-3 WAR per year. He’s now an annual fixture in cy young discussions. Cards just let him walk.

Wong for sure was good for cards and continues the same. He was given away.

Nobody else had done much before being jettisoned

The cards create a ton of major league talent that never play much for us. At least they got goldschmidt. And O’Neill might finally win that Gonzales trade. They should be about even by end of next year with O’Neill likely to surge beyond that. I doubt Liberatore will ever best out Randy - he’ll have to be an all star to do it

   93. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6041706)
Ohtani with a second RBI triple tonight, tying him for the AL lead for triples with 7 on the year, They're not going to pitch to him again tonight.
   94. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6041713)
Pham was mostly a role player. He had 1.5 season as a starter preceded by years in the minors. He’s now an established starter. He did have one excellent season for us the year before traded


Pham put up a 6.2 war season with the Cardinals the year before he was traded, not sure how you call that a frog. He was a talent which the team felt they had better value going forward relative to cost.

Lynn was not a middle of the rotation starter, he posted 565 innings at 128 era+ his last three seasons in St Louis. Since then he has posted 595 innings at 128 era+.... Not really seeing the difference there. (and note Lynn went through two other teams -- the Twins and Yankees-- before he received one single cy young vote as a Ranger)

I don't think you really understand the economics of baseball... without jettisoning Pham, the Cardinals don't get Carlson at 8mil less to play the position at twice the quality. Which of course freed the team to get Arenado.
   95. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:30 PM (#6041714)
I made comments that Lynn was a legit possibility for 300 win pitcher . . .
Too late to take the Under?
   96. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:53 PM (#6041719)
Too late to take the Under?


It was a thought concept. People were always saying that "we'll never see another 300 win pitcher" and my argument was someone like Lynn, who at 28 had averaged 32 games started a year, who played for a team like the Cardinals, who already averaged 15 wins a year, and was probably going to be a better player over the next 5 to 10 years if healthy so might change that to 17 wins a year, will put themselves in a good position to reach 300...

It wasn't really about a particular player, but more about a particular arc of a player. 300 wins is not out of the future, the biggest factor is 1. being healthy for 15 seasons (and willing to go an extra 5) 2. playing for good teams so that you can out perform your 'win expectancy' a few years. Lynn was doing the first part and second part, he was playing for good teams and staying healthy, and at age 28 he had 61 wins, not a huge amount, but he had gone 4 consecutive seasons with 29 or more games started... A good pitcher, for a good team that averages 30 starts a season is very likely to win 15 games a year. Some years more, this makes up for the season or two that they only go 25 or so games... as long as they avoid the two season injury, they should still be okay.
   97. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:59 PM (#6041720)
Too late to take the Under?


You always take the under on a stat that is based upon a 20 year career for a player that is under 30 years old, that is a given. I'll take the under on Trout hitting 500 homeruns. I hope I'm wrong on it, but it accentuates the point.

Note... that my be a bit of an exaggeration as if someone asked me to bet on that, I probably go with the over, but I'm not sure if that is my heart or logic talking at that point in time.
   98. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 11:11 PM (#6041721)
After getting walked 11 times in the last three games, Ohtani gets a pitch to hit, and triples in a run, and then scores on a groundout.

He is the World's Most Special Boy.


He adds another triple, because why not.
   99. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 11:15 PM (#6041722)
Ohtani with a second RBI triple tonight, tying him for the AL lead for triples with 7 on the year, They're not going to pitch to him again tonight.


There is a small chance he'll lead or tie the league in triples, homeruns, have 24 steals (although since the Angels are out of it, it would be funny for him to just go for 30/30) and just randomly win 9 games as a pitcher. and have a 100 runs/rbi season

I do not see how there is anybody in baseball that challenges him for mvp. Regardless of how the rest of the season goes.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: September 25, 2021 at 11:25 PM (#6041723)
Brewers win, 1 game away from clinching the division (something that was a foregone conclusion 15 days ago or so, but has been a tough battle to finish the job)
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