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Verlander 6 no-hit innings, 16th W; Astros top Correa, Twins | ESPN

HOUSTON—— Justin Verlander was totally fine leaving with a no-hitter intact after six innings against the Minnesota Twins on Tuesday night.

“I like to go deep in games in the regular season, but I’d rather do it in the postseason or at least be fresh and strong for that,” the Houston ace said.

Verlander posted his major league-leading 16th win and the Astros beat the Minnesota Tuesday night in Carlos Correa’s return to Houston.

Verlander (16-3) allowed just one runner to reach base — Nick Gordon struck out in the second inning on a wild pitch to get aboard. Verlander fanned 10 and lowered his MLB-best ERA to 1.87 in his spectacular return after missing almost two seasons after Tommy John surgery.

Hombre Brotani Posted: August 24, 2022 at 03:31 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Astroenteritis Posted: August 24, 2022 at 01:42 PM (#6093005)
It has been so much fun watching Verlander pitch this year. Really didn't see this kind of performance coming, but he's been amazing. Certain players make me feel honored, as a fan, to watch them play and Verlander is one of those.
   2. JRVJ Posted: August 24, 2022 at 02:19 PM (#6093015)
I'm keeping my Verlander watch going. After yesterday's game, he is: - 27th all time with 76.8 BWar (he almost certainly won't catch the 26th seed this year - Curt Schilling, who is sitting at 80.5 - but Verlander should catch him next year, as well as a bunch of other pitchers bunched up from 80.5 to 83.6);

- 57th all time in Wins with 242 (there are players at 243, 245, 246, 247 and 249 wins, so Verlander has a chance to climb some more this year);

- 118th all time in IP with 3137.0 (I think 2022 Verlander could get as high as 111, which is Liván Hernández, with 3189.0);

- 13th in Ks with 3161 (Verlander and Scherzer are pretty much passing each other with their most recent starts. Next up, at 12, is Fergie Jenkins, with 3192 Ks, and both Verlander and Scherzer should pass Fergie this year. Next up is Phil Niekro, but at 3342.0, Niekro is not catchable this year).

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Verlander is 1st in Wins and WAR amongst active pitchers. He is second in IPs among active pitchers, behind Zack Greinke (Greinke has 81.2 more innings than Verlander, so he won't be caught this year), and is trading 1st place in Ks among active pitchers with Scherzer, as above.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 24, 2022 at 02:26 PM (#6093017)
For the benefit of the younger crowd, ‘six inning pitcher’ used to be a put down. A bit unfair then, more so today.
   4. sotapop Posted: August 24, 2022 at 02:48 PM (#6093025)
I remember watching Verlander pitch in college. I'd like to say it seems like yesterday, but it seems like the almost two decades that it was. In other words, he's been great for a long time. And I'm getting old.

BBRef says he went from high-A to AA to the Tigers in one season. Hadn't realized that. So his numbers probably benefit from not wasting an extra year or two in the minors.
   5. The Mighty Quintana Posted: August 24, 2022 at 03:02 PM (#6093029)
Since marrying Kate Upton, Verlander is is 54-18. Jus' sayin'...
   6. Buck Coats Posted: August 24, 2022 at 03:18 PM (#6093033)
more players should try that
   7. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 24, 2022 at 05:18 PM (#6093070)
For the benefit of the younger crowd, ‘six inning pitcher’ used to be a put down. A bit unfair then, more so today.


I remember when Ron Guidry was derided for being a 7 inning pitcher.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: August 24, 2022 at 05:30 PM (#6093073)
For a long time, Fergie was the only pitcher with >3000 Ks and <1000 BBs (he had 997). I recall looking at it several years ago and I think I found while that was true until Maddux (999 ... that can't be an accident) joined him, there had been one or two others with <1000 BB when they got their 3000th K (Clemens I think; Schilling did it later).

Anyway, Verlander (876) and Scherzer (698) will pass Fergie in Ks while kinda blowing him out of the water on BBs. Assuming they stay healthy enough, they'll pass Maddux's 3371 Ks with a lot fewer walks. Scherzer has even bettered Schilling's 3116/711. Among guys with 3000 Ks, Scherzer is #1 in K/BB at 4.52 (Schilling 4.38). Sale and deGrom are both over 5; Cole is a bit ahead of Scherzer. Sale is the only one of those three over 2000 Ks but if he gets healthy or Cole stays healthy, they can make it. DeGrom might of course but he's barely more than halfway there so he'll need to Verlander it.
   9. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: August 24, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6093109)
Verlander is 1st in Wins and WAR amongst active pitchers. He is second in IPs among active pitchers, behind Zack Greinke (Greinke has 81.2 more innings than Verlander, so he won't be caught this year), and is trading 1st place in Ks among active pitchers with Scherzer, as above.
He's got to be the odds-on favorite to win the AL Cy, which would make him only the 10th pitcher to win 3 or more.
   10. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 24, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6093114)
“I like to go deep in games in the regular season, but I’d rather do it in the postseason or at least be fresh and strong for that,” the Houston ace said.

What are the chances that Verlander will actually be allowed to go deep into games in the postseason?
   11. Hombre Brotani Posted: August 24, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6093117)
If he's throwing a no-hitter? 100%
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 24, 2022 at 11:16 PM (#6093136)
I remember when Ron Guidry was derided for being a 7 inning pitcher.
Yet, Guidry had 95 complete games in his career, no active pitcher has more than 28. Times change.
   13. baxter Posted: August 24, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6093140)
13 What do the predictors (favorite toy?) say about the chances of Verlander reaching 300 W's?
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 25, 2022 at 12:36 AM (#6093141)
Maddux (999 ... that can't be an accident) joined him


Maddux walked his 999th batter on September 8, 2008. He made three more starts for the Dodgers that year, pitching 18 innings and not allowing a walk. Derek Lowe said at the end of the season that after he walked # 999, Maddux told him that there was no way he was going to walk a thousand batters in his career, so he pitched his last three starts with the goal of not walking a better in those starts - and did it.
   15. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 25, 2022 at 01:18 AM (#6093144)
so he pitched his last three starts with the goal of not walking a better in those starts - and did it.


When you get a strike zone that's 3 feet wide, it's pretty easy to avoid walks.
   16. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 25, 2022 at 09:13 AM (#6093167)
Yet, Guidry had 95 complete games in his career, no active pitcher has more than 28. Times change.


Specifically, it was the early 80s. 1980-1982, he made 73 starts and completely only 11 of them. He then completed 21 of 31 in 1983.
   17. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: August 25, 2022 at 11:10 AM (#6093193)
He then completed 21 of 31 in 1983.
...and promptly had the worst full season of his career in 1984.
   18. jmurph Posted: August 25, 2022 at 11:34 AM (#6093195)
I'm pretty sure there's a thread from sometime back in 2014 or 15, when the big money on his Detroit deal was about to kick in and he was starting to look toasty, where we discussed what a disaster his contract was. Or at least I'm certain I expressed that thought at some point. Nailed it, basically.
   19. base ball chick Posted: August 25, 2022 at 12:04 PM (#6093205)
Buck Coats Posted: August 24, 2022 at 03:18 PM (#6093033)

Since marrying Kate Upton, Verlander is is 54-18.


more players should try that


- then she could have a reality show called Brother Husbands. there are some seriously HOTTTTTTT guys to choose from (their wives might not like it though) cuz with ballplayers if you want unmarried guys you pretty much got to go to the low minors or college. 21 years old - all muscle, no working brain. uck

she'd need a panic room fer sher
   20. Walt Davis Posted: August 25, 2022 at 05:33 PM (#6093275)
21 years old - all muscle, no working brain. uck

You think they get smarter when they reach the majors?

I'm pretty sure there's a thread from sometime back in 2014 or 15, when the big money on his Detroit deal was about to kick in and he was starting to look toasty, where we discussed what a disaster his contract was. Or at least I'm certain I expressed that thought at some point. Nailed it, basically.

I don't recall that specifically but I recall some discussion on whether he was in decline or not and whether the trade to Hou was that big of a deal, etc. I think I came in on the "in decline, not worth what he's gonna get paid" side. No doubt I tossed in a "but if anybody's gonna be the next Clemens..." Detroit did OK in that trade -- Franklin Perez was a pretty big-time pitching prospect at the time. He just (surprise!) got hurt almost immediately ... just 38 IP from 2018-21 but he's made it back this year for 25 innings, getting crushed at rookie ball though.

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