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Video: Josh Donaldson Bought His Mom a Maserati After She Quit Smoking on a Bet

People can quit smoking in numerous ways, but free-agent third baseman Josh Donaldson added giving away a new Maserati after his mother, Lisa French, kicked the habit, per Gradick Sports:

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A promise of a Maserati is a fairly strong incentive to stop smoking and likely more powerful than nicotine patches, but credit to French for getting the job done and winning a brand-new car in the process.

 

 

QLE Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:22 AM | 81 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bets, cars, josh donaldson

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   1. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5908682)
They're just like us!
   2. PreservedFish Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5908686)
A Maserati costs about $100k, but a pack a day costs about $2,000 per year, and a lifetime of smoking is estimated to cost well over $100k in healthcare costs.
   3. manchestermets Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5908690)
Wow, cigarettes are cheap in the US - a pack a day in the UK would be more like $5000 I think.

I'm a little torn between it being a good thing that he's been able to incentivise her to give up and thinking "Hey, just unconditionally buy your mum stuff".
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 14, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5908692)
Of course this does create a perverse incentive for her to star smoking again when she wants something else ;-)
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: December 14, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5908696)
I remember back in the '80s, as businesses began to cut back on allowing smoking at one's desk - kids, I am not making this up - one colleague in particular who had just quit smoking was on a particular jihad against allowing it anywhere.

said one wag: "Geesh, let's just hope she never gives up fuc king!"
   6. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: December 14, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5908702)
Nothing like the zealotry of the converted.
   7. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: December 14, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5908704)
Of course this does create a perverse incentive for her to star smoking again when she wants something else ;-)


More likely, she'll relapse just because.
   8. Astroenteritis Posted: December 14, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5908725)
So relapse equals repo?
   9. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: December 14, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5908729)
That would be cold.
   10. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 15, 2019 at 09:05 AM (#5908765)
A Maserati costs about $100k, but a pack a day costs about $2,000 per year, and a lifetime of smoking is estimated to cost well over $100k in healthcare costs.


But there is the insurance and upkeep on the car. Of course, there is insurance and upkeep on the mom too.
   11. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: December 15, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5908784)
I've never smoked. What do I win?
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 15, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5908790)
I've never smoked. What do I win?

A longer life?
   13. Sunday silence Posted: December 15, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5908792)
I thought it said "Mazeroski"; never mind.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5908795)
Donaldson would bankrupt himself at the winter meetings, the unhealthiest week of the year.
   15. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5908942)
Per MLB Network, she had to quit smoking for 2 years before he'd buy her the car, so repo isn't in play here.
   16. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5908948)
one colleague in particular who had just quit smoking was on a particular jihad against allowing it anywhere.


It's easy to forget that smoking used to be not just permitted but the norm in almost every work place. Mad Men looks so bizarrely anachronistic but it was not was not exceptional. The world smelled like an ash tray.
   17. Sunday silence Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:01 AM (#5908951)
It was THE social movement before we made gay/lesbians full fledged citizens.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5908977)
Getting rid of smoking in restaurants and bars and concert venues was one of the best things the nanny state ever did. You used to have to deal with that vile miasma everywhere. It's astonishing that people embraced it.
   19. BrianBrianson Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:01 PM (#5908979)
The world smelled like an ash tray.


Indeed, that Tim Hortons figured out first if they didn't allow smoking in their donut shops, their coffee would taste like coffee and their donuts would taste like donuts is how they won the Canadian coffee market. Like, at one point Tim Hortons sold most cups of coffee sold in Canada - that sentence is not missing any words.

I also kinda figure it's why my parents' generation seemed to wear vast quantities of aftershave/cologne/perfume, which has also seemingly stopped being a thing. ~~~~
   20. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5908980)
Any ballplayers still smoke? Or, rather, allow themselves to be seen smoking?
   21. jmurph Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5908983)
Getting rid of smoking in restaurants and bars and concert venues was one of the best things the nanny state ever did. You used to have to deal with that vile miasma everywhere. It's astonishing that people embraced it.

I remember going to bars/shows in cold weather and purposefully forgoing a jacket just so my winter coat didn't smell like ####### smoke (because honestly, what sort of person in their 20s would ever think to actually wash their coat?).
   22. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5908993)
Any ballplayers still smoke? Or, rather, allow themselves to be seen smoking?



I don't know, but there are pictures of Yaz smoking in the clubhouse after games, and they said he used to duck in there between innings to smoke.
   23. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5908995)
I got to watch up close both my godmother and my mother-in-law spend years dying from smoking (lung cancer and COPD, respectively). Getting slowly strangled to death by your own lungs is incredibly horrible, something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. If heading it off takes a Maserati, you should buy the Maserati. Good for Donaldson, it might be the most worthwhile $100K he ever spends.
   24. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: December 16, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5909000)
I've never smoked. What do I win?

A longer life?


Yeah, but I'm a Tigers fan. (Hand me that pack of Luckies, will ya...?)
   25. DanG Posted: December 16, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5909034)
Good for Donaldson, it might be the most worthwhile $100K he ever spends.
Life's been good to him so far. With a salary of $23 million, for him to buy a Maserati is like me buying a TV.
   26. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5909046)

Getting rid of smoking in restaurants and bars and concert venues was one of the best things the nanny state ever did.

QFT
   27. Traderdave Posted: December 16, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5909051)
Living in the Bay Area where very few people smoke* it amazes me that 15% or so of the population still smokes. I was a smoker for a while in my younger years when I thought it looked cool but damn, how stupid that was. Who would smell like that by choice?




*tobacco
   28. PreservedFish Posted: December 16, 2019 at 03:45 PM (#5909060)
My wife works in smoking prevention. She spends most of her time on vaping. Kids these days aren't smoking Lucky Strikes, they're going for the Boston Creme or Mint Chocolate Chip flavored nicotine cartridges. Part of her strategy with teenagers is to make them realize how ####### lame it is.

There are a lot of things to hate in the world, and a lot of forms of evil, but I am particularly enraged by the fact that there are tons of these Silicon Valley ########## that are knowingly profiting from marketing nicotine addiction to children. I think it's extra infuriating because these Juul ######## are roughly my age, similar educational background and such, they are at least superficially people that are kind of like me, but they're evil and they should be punched in the face, and I'm a nice guy.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: December 16, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5909068)
It's easy to forget that smoking used to be not just permitted but the norm in almost every work place.

I took some flights in the mid-1980s that still had a "smoking" and "non-smoking" section.

do you know how they separated the two? they used those same flimsy curtains that are in use today to separate the wheat in first class from the chaff in economy.

why yes, the occasional rogue puff of smoke or 1000 DID tend to waft its way past those curtains.

still, it was an improvement from the 1960s - they didn't even have non-smoking sections in that era.

if the joker to the left and the joker to the right wanted to smoke and you were stuck in the middle, well, you're gonna eat some smoke. for hours.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 16, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5909069)
if the joker to the left and the joker to the right wanted to smoke and you were stuck in the middle
I believe that was actually a clown to the left.
   31. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:08 AM (#5909194)
With a salary of $23 million, for him to buy a Maserati is like me buying a TV.

Except Donaldson has $22,900,000 left over, rather than (your yearly salary) minus (cost of TV) left over.

Getting rid of smoking in restaurants and bars and concert venues was one of the best things the nanny state ever did.

Speaking as someone who despises the Nanny State, this is absolutely correct. (You young'uns don't know it, but there was a time when people smoked everywhere, including all public places: airplanes, ballgames, government buildings, and, yes, restaurants. "Here, have some nicotine with your burger and fries!")
   32. flournoy Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:26 AM (#5909200)
My wife works in smoking prevention. [...] Part of her strategy with teenagers is to make them realize how ####### lame it is.


What's her strategy? In my experience, most kids have little regard for adults' perspective on what is and is not lame.
   33. Joe Bivens, Slack Rumped Rutabaga Head Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:26 AM (#5909201)
why yes, the occasional rogue puff of smoke or 1000 DID tend to waft its way past those curtains.




Right. "Non-smoking" sections were the 70's version of science denial.
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:40 AM (#5909204)
I believe that was actually a clown to the left.

yeah, that's a FAIL in proofreading by me
   35. eric Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:41 AM (#5909205)
I took some flights in the mid-1980s that still had a "smoking" and "non-smoking" section.

do you know how they separated the two? they used those same flimsy curtains that are in use today to separate the wheat in first class from the chaff in economy.


While in high school in the mid-90's I was on a flight to Europe which still had smoking and non-smoking sections. There were no dividers or curtains. Just the last 4/5 rows of the plane were for smokers, everything else was for non-smokers.

I quickly realized why the seats we got, one row directly in front of the smoking section, were very available and very cheap. That was not a pleasant 9-hour flight.
   36. DanG Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:57 AM (#5909214)
Except Donaldson has $22,900,000 left over, rather than (your yearly salary) minus (cost of TV) left over.
True. Also my TV doesn't do 185.
   37. manchestermets Posted: December 17, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5909222)
The hostility to vaping in the US is weird from a UK point of view - over here it's viewed as a good thing because the use case has almost entirely been smokers switching to vaping. I can't see any reason why there isn't a similar concern about children going straight to vaping (that's to say it isn't a thing that happens here) - the obvious answer would be that retailers here are fundmentally more moral about who they sell to, which seems unlikely to be honest.

There's a vape shop near my office with a sign outside saying "The alternative for adult smokers!" - kids, you stick with the cigarettes. The flavour names are weird though - the same shop was advertising a flavour called "Mother's Milk" which I can imagine Dr Freud would have something to say about.
   38. RoyalFlush Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5909274)
The hostility to vaping in the US is weird from a UK point of view - over here it's viewed as a good thing because the use case has almost entirely been smokers switching to vaping.


Like everything else in this country, once truly terrible people start doing it, they'll find a way to annoy the rest of society.

Don't know any current players that smoke, but I've seen Willie Wilson out on the golf course recently - he still smokes. Did when he was a player too.
   39. Baldrick Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5909275)
I've been in Sweden for about a week and a half, which is unlike most of the rest of Europe in that very few people smoke, and very unlike the US in that no one vapes. It's wonderful.

There is a lot of chewing tobacco for sale everywhere, though. But I haven't actually ever seen anyone purchasing or using said product.
   40. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: December 17, 2019 at 02:41 PM (#5909337)
Obviously, these kids should have been vaping!

Vienna’s prestigious ballet academy is endangering children’s wellbeing including by encouraging them to smoke to stay slim, an Austrian commission investigating abuse claims has concluded.

The scandal broke in April when a media report accused the academy at Vienna’s renowned State Opera of inflicting serious physical and mental abuse on its students as well as of sexual assault.

The weekly Falter newspaper published a detailed investigation exposing “19th-century” methods, alleging young dancers were hit, scratched until they bled, pulled by their hair and humiliated over their physiques, with some developing anorexia.

...

Commission head Susanne Reindl-Krauskopf said that students were advised to start smoking to stay slim and addressed with their first names and clothes sizes.
   41. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: December 17, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5909409)
When I was a kid, you could smoke in the movie theatre.

Imagine that. Old wooden seats covered with stiff, really dry felt and dry, old carpet enclosed in a building with curtains hanging on the wall; you couldn't ask for a better recipe for disaster.

Yet there we were, all of 12 years old lighting up whilst watching Rocky and the Bad News Bears...ah, those were the days!

First 2 times I went to Europe I sat in the smoking section(usually the last 6 or so rows on the plane) each flight both going and returning. Met some nice people too, but for the non-smokers it must've been awful looking back on it now.
   42. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 17, 2019 at 07:38 PM (#5909416)
When I turned 16, my high school band director would give me the keys to his car and a $20 with orders to bring him back a couple of packs of smokes, which he would then proceed to chain-smoke all day in his school office.... but never in the band room itself, only his office. First time I told my kids that story, their eyes almost bugged out of their heads that a teacher would not only send a student to buy cigs, but also that he would then light them up AT SCHOOL... mid-80's seems like a million years ago in terms of tobacco.
   43. chisoxcollector Posted: December 17, 2019 at 08:14 PM (#5909419)
I was lucky enough to rent a Maserati Ghibli for 3 glorious weeks earlier this year. And it only cost my employer ~$200 a week! It was really hard going back to my boring car after that.

The last player I personally saw smoking was Chien Ming Wang. Every day at spring training he would pull his car into the parking lot, get out and smoke a couple of cigarettes, and then head into the clubhouse.
   44. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: December 18, 2019 at 06:14 AM (#5909458)
First time I told my kids that story, their eyes almost bugged out of their heads that a teacher would not only send a student to buy cigs, but also that he would then light them up AT SCHOOL... mid-80's seems like a million years ago in terms of tobacco.
There was a smoking area in my junior high school in Durham, NC for 9th graders, and also student smoking areas in the high schools. They eliminated student smoking areas in all of the Durham public schools after the 1984/1985 school year.

Durham is of course a city built on tobacco, with a "Bull City" nickname that comes from the Bull Durham brand of cigarettes, where one of the icons of the city is the Lucky Strikes water tower and you can live and work in the Chesterfields building. The old Durham Bulls ballpark is caddy corner from what was the last operating tobacco warehouse in the city. As a little kid I used to love going to Bulls games in part because curing tobacco smells so rich and sweet. Sure Durham's tobacco industry helped kill a lot of people, but the city smelled fantastic.
   45. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 07:59 AM (#5909464)
My middle/high school in NY had an outdoor smoking area in the mid-90s. Mostly for students but I believe that a few teachers would occasionally go out there and smoke with the kids.
   46. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 09:28 AM (#5909475)

Any ballplayers still smoke? Or, rather, allow themselves to be seen smoking?


Do you know any PEOPLE that still smoke? I knew lots of smokers in college, now I only know one friend that does and he has been trying to quit for years. I do have friends that use chewing tobacco and I know vaping has largely replaced cigarettes. But it is really kinda astonishing to see someone smoking cigarettes these days.
   47. Blastin Posted: December 18, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5909479)
My middle/high school in NY had an outdoor smoking area in the mid-90s.


the "cool" kids in my middle school started smoking in 8th grade, and all of them smoked by the end of high school.

I was so DESPERATE to be cool, yet that never appealed to me (and it killed several relatives, like all of us). And these kids had longer hair, so they must have reeked at home. Did their parents not care? (Note: their parents did not, because it was very rich parents who were their kids' "friends." These kids did a lot of other drugs, too.)

In college, everyone smoked. My clothes smelled terrible. Then I moved to Korea, and my freaking eyes burned in every bar.

I was so glad to get back to NYC after that.

I can't believe it's still a thing.
   48. base ball chick Posted: December 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM (#5909505)
manchestermets Posted: December 17, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5909222)

The hostility to vaping in the US is weird from a UK point of view


- the hostility is that HERE it is marketed to children and obviously sold to them. adults are not into birthday cake flavor or bubblegum. kids actually think it is cool and a nice safe way to get a buzz. and i guess parents not named me are not real too particular opposed to it neither

- apparently nicotine addiction is no big deal as long as you cant smell it

i went to skool in the 90s and there wasn't a smoking area. i don't remember a smoking lounge for the adults but maybe it is just i disremember
   49. Blastin Posted: December 18, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5909525)
It's also very very douchebro to be vaping.
   50. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: December 18, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5909537)
Sure Durham's tobacco industry helped kill a lot of people, but the city smelled fantastic.


I distinctly remember that smell in downtown Durham and also in Richmond, Virginia. The rich, sweet tobacco smell is amazing.
   51. SoSH U at work Posted: December 18, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5909551)
There was a smoking area in my junior high school in Durham, NC for 9th graders, and also student smoking areas in the high schools. They eliminated student smoking areas in all of the Durham public schools after the 1984/1985 school year.


When I was growing up, the high school kids used to walk out of the building, down the hill in front of the school and start drinking right next to the main road that went through our area (but still on school property). The drinking age was 18 and there were no open container laws. They also smoked (both cigarettes and pot), but they would also do that inside the school as well.

'Twas a different time.

   52. base ball chick Posted: December 18, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5909579)
well, now they can't leave school property without an adult signing them out. of course, people under 18 basically can't do anything outside where they live, without an adult.
   53. Eddo Posted: December 18, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5909584)
Do you know any PEOPLE that still smoke? I knew lots of smokers in college, now I only know one friend that does and he has been trying to quit for years. I do have friends that use chewing tobacco and I know vaping has largely replaced cigarettes. But it is really kinda astonishing to see someone smoking cigarettes these days.

I'd love to see the urban/suburban/rural figures for smoking in the US. I think it's far more common in rural areas.

Also, I recently moved to London. So many more smokers AND vapers than I saw in Chicago.

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- the hostility is that HERE it is marketed to children and obviously sold to them. adults are not into birthday cake flavor or bubblegum. kids actually think it is cool and a nice safe way to get a buzz. and i guess parents not named me are not real too particular opposed to it neither

I mean, judging by the hostility and minor panic in place in the States about vaping, you're far from alone among parents.
   54. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: December 18, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5909604)
At my high school, parents were relieved when the hill adjacent to the school was just used for smoking cigarettes:

Summit High - Roach Hill.
   55. manchestermets Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:28 PM (#5909727)
adults are not into birthday cake flavor or bubblegum.


Again, that seems to be different over here - the vape shops are full of adults going through all the weird flavours, and it's not unusual at all to be walking behind adults vaping all kinds of sickly sweet smelling stuff.
   56. asinwreck Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5909732)
When I was a kid, you could smoke in the movie theatre.

Imagine that. Old wooden seats covered with stiff, really dry felt and dry, old carpet enclosed in a building with curtains hanging on the wall; you couldn't ask for a better recipe for disaster.

No reason to worry. Those curtains were likely lined with asbestos to prevent fires from spreading.
   57. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5909737)
The last player I personally saw smoking was Chien Ming Wang. Every day at spring training he would pull his car into the parking lot, get out and smoke a couple of cigarettes, and then head into the clubhouse.
I wanted to see if there were any photos to back this up, so I Googled "Wang smoking." I did not find what I was looking for.
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5909743)
they're evil and they should be punched in the face, and I'm a nice guy


You can punch people in the face and still be a nice guy. Look at Superman, or George Foreman.
   59. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 18, 2019 at 06:39 PM (#5909756)

And these kids had longer hair, so they must have reeked at home. Did their parents not care? (Note: their parents did not, because it was very rich parents who were their kids' "friends." These kids did a lot of other drugs, too.)

Or maybe the parents smoked too, and didn't notice the smell? This is at least the story my mom tells -- my grandfather smoked and the house already reeked, so nobody noticed when she started.
   60. Random Transaction Generator Posted: December 19, 2019 at 12:21 AM (#5909812)
One of the jobs I had as a teenager was working at a bingo hall on Saturday nights. The prizes were in the hundreds and low thousands of dollars, and the place was huge. It held maybe 500-600 people.

My job was as a "runner". We'd walk around our section, selling cards for the next game (each one taking about 15 minutes), and reading out the numbers on cards of people who yelled "Bingo!" (for single lines, T, Y, X, inner square, outer square, full cards, whatever the game was that time) back to the caller at the front, and then running to the front to get the winnings and returning them to the winner. It paid pretty well ($50 for the night, plus tips, usually walked out with about $100, which was a HUGE amount of money to a 16 year old in 1987).

The entire bingo hall was smoking, except for a TINY glassed in room in the back (that held 20-30 people). Of course, everyone that went to that non-smoking room would have to walk through the smoking section to get to/from the room every time they entered/left. And in that bingo hall, even with the 20 foot ceilings, would fill up with smoke so that it pretty much hung at my eye level (even with the ventilation at full tilt).

After we were done (around 10pm), the runners would all head over to the nearby Burger King to grab a late meal (as it stayed open until midnight because of the bingo hall). Because our clothes REEKED of smoke, the BK manager insisted we all sit in the smoking section of the restaurant, even though none of us smoked.

When I would get home, my parents would have already gone to bed, but had left me a garbage bag on the front porch. I would immediately strip down to my underwear, load up the clothes into the garbage bag, tie it off, and then take the bag down to the laundry room (where it would sit until my mom did the laundry on Sunday). I would then jump into the guest bathroom and have a quick shower to get the smoke off my skin and out of my hair.

I'm actually quite surprised that I don't have any smoke-related illness from my time at that job.
   61. eric Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:58 AM (#5909827)
I'm actually quite surprised that I don't have any smoke-related illness from my time at that job.


There's still time.
   62. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 19, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5909992)
Yes, great smells often seem to come from, or are developed into 'bad' things. Tobacco, gunpowder (fireworks), fresh leather goods, gasoline to name a few.
   63. Rusty Priske Posted: December 19, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5910016)
My high school had a designated smoking area outside. This was in the mid-80s.

With the upswing of vaping and the full legalization of cannabis up here in Canada, the conversation comes up about where it should be legal to vape or smoke weed.

My answer always is that it should be legal to vape or smoke weed anywhere that it is legal to smoke cigs.

Of course, I think the only place it should be legal to smoke is in your own home, as long as there are no children living there.
   64. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 19, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5910030)

Yes, great smells often seem to come from, or are developed into 'bad' things. Tobacco, gunpowder (fireworks), fresh leather goods, gasoline to name a few.

I once visited a cigarette factory when I had a free day in a random city in Indonesia. It smelled incredible.

I also once visited a leather tannery in Morocco. Maybe the worst smelling place I have ever been in my life.
   65. . Posted: December 19, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5910059)
I also once visited a leather tannery in Morocco. Maybe the worst smelling place I have ever been in my life.


I'll see your leather tannery in Morocco and raise you a big huge paper factory in Filer City, Michigan, circa 1978. Makes a sewer smell like fresh lavender.

Doesn't the mom owe tax on the Maserati?
   66. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: December 19, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5910060)
Gift tax is paid by the gifter.
   67. Zach Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:34 PM (#5910074)
Ironically, the mom's going to trade it in when the ashtrays are full.
   68. Lassus Posted: December 19, 2019 at 07:55 PM (#5910077)
great smells often seem to come from, or are developed into 'bad' things. Tobacco, gunpowder (fireworks), fresh leather goods, gasoline

What in the holy hell
   69. Lassus Posted: December 19, 2019 at 08:14 PM (#5910079)
Do you know any PEOPLE that still smoke?

Plenty, everywhere.
   70. Lassus Posted: December 19, 2019 at 08:16 PM (#5910081)
Vienna’s prestigious ballet academy is endangering children’s wellbeing including by encouraging them to smoke to stay slim

Catching up still. My wife was a pro ballerina, and smoked like a chimney in high school and college and beyond for exactly that reason. Eventually quit, but took awhile.
   71. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:18 AM (#5910106)
What in the holy hell


I love the smell of fireworks, good memories as a kid/teen/YA, and frankly a spent shotgun shell. Perhaps I'm just passing time in a duck blind, but its pleasing. A brand new baseball glove, a new baseball. I almost forgot, lumber, in a newly framed house during construction. With respect to gasoline, probably some of the recreational motor sports.
   72. BrianBrianson Posted: December 20, 2019 at 05:20 AM (#5910111)
Do you know any PEOPLE that still smoke?


Scads, but I live in France.

But in North America, it's very class driven. You almost certainly know a lot of smokers, but your driver, doorman, gardener, etc. aren't allowed to smoke on the job, so you're not noticing. Most of my dad's family smokes, none of my mom's.
   73. Lassus Posted: December 20, 2019 at 08:02 AM (#5910118)
But in North America, it's very class driven. You almost certainly know a lot of smokers, but your driver, doorman, gardener, etc. aren't allowed to smoke on the job, so you're not noticing.

I think you might be overestimating the percentage of the North American population that has drivers and doormen.
   74. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5910168)
Guessing Utah is still the state w lowest rate of smokers, and WVA, Kentucky on the other end.
   75. Blastin Posted: December 20, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5910199)
I will note that at my 15th HS reunion last year, only two people (out of like 25 in my group) lit up during the 30 minutes we all spent outside. So in our (definitely class-specific) group, they seem to have aged out of it.

(Note: Brooklyn High School)
   76. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5910207)

I'll see your leather tannery in Morocco and raise you a big huge paper factory in Filer City, Michigan, circa 1978. Makes a sewer smell like fresh lavender.

They treat the leather in vats of cow urine and pigeon dung, among other things. It was very foul.

That being said, I still get good use out of a belt that I bought there 5 years ago.
   77. flournoy Posted: December 20, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5910211)
Smokers do have some utility. I was locked out of the building after hours at work the other day, and they recently changed the code for the keypad, and I had forgotten what it was. Text message to one of the office smokers to the rescue.
   78. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 20, 2019 at 05:28 PM (#5910212)
That being said, I still get good use out of a belt that I bought there 5 years ago.
For threatening your children, I assume? "Don't make be bring out the Stinkbelt!!"
   79. Howie Menckel Posted: December 20, 2019 at 05:41 PM (#5910214)
Utah indeed has lowest smoking rate
top 3 are out West, but then Jersey is 4th-lowest? not sure what that's all about. Northeast states also place 5th, 6th and 7th lowest.

no shockers in the top 10
   80. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5910216)

For threatening your children, I assume? "Don't make be bring out the Stinkbelt!!"

No kids yet...I don't think that has anything to do with the fact that I've been wearing a urine/dung-treated belt for the past 5 years, but you'd have to ask my wife :)

The CDC lists NJ as 8th lowest (7th if you exclude Puerto Rico), not really distinguishable from most other Northeast states.

It is pretty remarkable how things have changed. The ~25% rate in the worst states today was the *national* smoking rate just 15 years. Before smoking really began to decline in the 80s, the national rate was more like 40%+.
   81. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: December 20, 2019 at 06:55 PM (#5910220)
the smokey bar was another kick in the balls of living in a northern climate. Few people wanted to wear a coat/jacket from 9 or 10- until closing time in a smokey bar. We'd always mock the dolled up woman, dressed up in her club outfit, arms folded tightly walking briskly with the high knees in their heels across the street, while it is 10 degrees outside. It was doubly funny when it was snowy/icy. Didn't matter, you weren't going to subject that jacket to hours in a smokehouse.

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