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Waiting game: Nationals get 6 days off before World Series

WASHINGTON (AP) — Doing a little research ahead of the World Series, Washington Nationals second baseman Brian Dozier came across some numbers that made him feel OK about his team’s long layoff.

“I saw a stat today where there’s been 12 times where teams have had five or more days off going into the World Series. And you know what the record was? 6-6,” Dozier said. “So it’s not that big a deal.”

Baseball is a sport that is more of a daily grind than any other, with game followed by game followed by game for six months, so this stretch is rather unusual for the Nationals: They haven’t played since finishing off a sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals in the NL Championship Series at home last Tuesday — and they won’t play until Game 1 of the Fall Classic on the road next Tuesday.

Washington’s next opponent gets much less of a respite: The Houston Astros and New York Yankees were getting set to play Game 6 of the AL Championship Series on Saturday night.

My assumption is that most of the commentary involving the performance of World Series teams in association with their time off beforehand (as with certain related points, such as the performance of teams who sweep the LCS) are examples of Small Sample Size Theatre at work- anyone here interested in contesting that, and, if so, how?


QLE Posted: October 20, 2019 at 12:07 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: October 20, 2019 at 08:58 AM (#5892279)
The last World Series game in Washington was played on October 7, 1933. In New York, it was carried on WEAF (660; now WFAN), WJZ (760; now 770 WABC), WABC (860; now 880 WCBS) and WINS (1180, now 1010). (The Daily News said, "The World Series reports were the most thrilling yet...they were well-handled.")

Also in the Daily News that day: A 21-year-old "gangster widow" is on trial for murder after allegedly smuggling a gun to her imprisoned husband, who used it to kill the warden and then himself (she was found not guilty); a doctor driving a car on 90th Street is struck by a stray bullet and killed; a dentist is also killed by a stray bullet in a holdup (police call his death "very regrettable"); Daisy and Violet Hilton are engaged to be married; the film "Charlie Chan's Greatest Case" opens (the paper gave it **1/2); and, oh, "KING HUBBELL WHIPS NATS! Ryan's Hit in 11th Wins, 2-1, for 3d N.Y. Victory"...
   2. depletion Posted: October 20, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5892285)
Ray Knight discussed the layoff on the local radio here in DC. He said the pitchers should be in good shape but the hitting and fielding might suffer from rust early in the series.
   3. bunyon Posted: October 20, 2019 at 10:01 AM (#5892289)
Small sample sizes keep data from clearly showing a story. It doesn't mean there is no effect. Pretty much every hitter agrees that layoffs hurt. Pretty much every pitcher tells you rest is good. I'm inclined to believe them.

Doesn't mean they can't hit but there is no substitute for live pitching.
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: October 20, 2019 at 01:54 PM (#5892330)
Daisy and Violet Hilton are engaged to be married

but not to each other
   5. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: October 20, 2019 at 02:56 PM (#5892342)
Apparently both of them did marry, but (per Wiki):

In 1936 Violet married gay actor James Moore as a publicity stunt. The marriage lasted ten years on paper, but it was eventually annulled. In 1941 Daisy married Harold Estep, better known as dancer Buddy Sawyer, who was also gay. The marriage lasted ten days.

   6. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 20, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5892361)
I thought I saw some odd stat at Fangraphs the other day that mentioned that the team that swept the LCS actually lost the series 7 out of 8 times or something like that? Yes, its a tiny sample size but I though it was interesting.
   7. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: October 20, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5892362)

2015 Mets
2014 Royals
2012 Tigers
2007 Rockies
2006 Tigers
1995 Braves
1990 A's
1988 A's

That's all the sweeps since the LCS went to best of 7. It checks out. Plenty of winners from best of 5 sweeps though. Ignoring the 3 times both teams swept, the sweepers won 4 of 7.
   8. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: October 20, 2019 at 06:14 PM (#5892363)
Yeah I think the bats struggle to keep up the rhythm.

This should be a fun series. The Astro win last night means both rotations are pretty well set. Cole instead of Verlander in game one but that’s not much of a downgrade (if it’s not an upgrade). I’m looking forward to it. It should be fun.
   9. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: October 20, 2019 at 06:15 PM (#5892364)
Speaking of 1930s Senators games... The WJSV broadcast day (a link to the audio files), which is a more or less complete recording of a DC radio station's day on September 21, 1939, includes the last 4.5 innings of a Senators-Indians game, with Walter Johnson serving as the color announcer. I won't link to the box score on the off chance that you want to listen and be surprised by the outcome. Al Milnar and Dick Bass were the starters. Washington's #3 hitter was Alex Pitko, who hit 259/355/296 in a career that lasted all of 11 games and died in 2011 at 96.

The whole broadcast day is a treasure, and a solitary example of something so commonplace and everyday that not many people bothered to make a record of it.
   10. QLE Posted: October 20, 2019 at 06:37 PM (#5892365)
In New York, it was carried on WEAF (660; now WFAN), WJZ (760; now 770 WABC), WABC (860; now 880 WCBS) and WINS (1180, now 1010).

Of these stations, WEAF was the NYC flagship for the NBC Red radio network, WJZ for NBC Blue, and WABC for CBS, with WINS being an independent station.

Prior to 1939, there was no exclusivity for broadcasting the World Series- both NBC and CBS had broadcast teams present as follows:

NBC: Hal Totten (longtime Chicago broadcaster) and Tom Manning (NBC staff announcer) on play-by-play; Graham McNamee as color commentator.

CBS: Fred Hoey (Red Sox and Braves announcer over WNAC, Boston), France Laux (Cardinals and Browns announcer over KMOX, St. Louis), Roger Baker (WKBW, Buffalo), and Gunnar Wiig (WHEC, Rochester) on play-by-play; Ted Husing as color commentator.

There is no known audio surviving from the 1933 World Series (unlike those from 1934 through 1945, which exist on recordings made by the Commissioner's Office), so the exact actual division of labors is unclear- however, the newspaper references I've found suggest that Totten and Manning called all NBC games (probably switching off midway through, if the surviving broadcasts from later World Series mean anything), while the CBS broadcasters switched on a game-by-game basis.
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 20, 2019 at 07:37 PM (#5892374)
I see the Astros are big favorites at the betting window. Not so sure about that - the Nationals do have 4 starters they are willing to use, while the Astros seem to have only 3. Could matter. The Nationals have a good chance of winning any game in which they can just go with their starter, Rainey (right-handed batters only), Doolittle & Hudson. I expect a lot of close games.
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: October 20, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5892376)
Cole 185 ERA+ in 212 IP
Verlander 179 ERA+ in 223 IP
Greinke 154 ERA+ in 209 IP
Miley 116 ERA+ in 167 IP (and that's with 16 ER in 11.3 IP in September)

Scherzer 157 ERA+ in 172 IP
Corbin 141 ERA+ in 202 IP
Strasburg 138 ERA+ in 209 IP
ASanchez 119 ERA+ in 166 IP

when is the last time two WS teams had 3 (and 4) SPs this good?

one team, sure.
but both teams?

   13. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 20, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5892379)
Miley 116 ERA+ in 167 IP

Was he added to the roster? I thought he was left off the LCS and now World Series roster?
   14. AndrewJ Posted: October 20, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5892384)
The WJSV broadcast day [...] which is a more or less complete recording of a DC radio station's day on September 21, 1939 [...] The whole broadcast day is a treasure, and a solitary example of something so commonplace and everyday that not many people bothered to make a record of it.

I've had that complete recording for years. You could seriously develop an entire undergrad American history or J-school course around it -- What did WJSV's broadcast day reveal about the radio industry in 1939? About pre-World War II America?

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