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   1. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: April 24, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6015197)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 04:50 PM (#6015200)
Will the A's lose another game ever again?
   3. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 04:53 PM (#6015201)
It seems that the scouting report on Miley is just to lay back on the pitch and hit it to the opposite field.
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 04:59 PM (#6015203)
I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more talk about Tatis hitting two homeruns on the same day as his dad hit two grand slams.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6015204)
   6. Walt Davis Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:18 PM (#6015206)
I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more talk about Tatis hitting two homeruns on the same day as his dad hit two grand slams.

East Coast bias (i.e. sleep). Also who makes a big deal out of anything on a Saturday. I will say that a guy with a history of shoulder problems probably should not be doing that Padres' HR celebration which seemed to involve fiving in several directions and odd angles.

Arguably the big story of that game was Darvish 7 IP, 1 R.

Meanwhile, down 2 with the leadoff guy on in the bottom of the 7th, the Cubs just missed grounding into a DP so did a better job of it the second time. That was anticlimactiv.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:30 PM (#6015207)
Cardinal announcers are talking about Votto as a hofer, and Horton is making the stat case, and McLaughlin responds "No ring"... .Horton response is "you don't control the team that drafts you."

It looks like Horton has returned to appreciating the metrics after a couple of seasons being the curmudgeon.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:31 PM (#6015208)
Loving having 4 boxes for MLB.tv, looks like Heyward just went deep.
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:32 PM (#6015209)
Edman makes a freaking incredible diving play, as good as you will ever see.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6015210)
Gant is pitching very well today, so of course the second I say that, I have to assume the wheels will come off.
   11. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 05:51 PM (#6015211)
sorry El Hombre, your team is getting crushed right now.
   12. The Duke Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:10 PM (#6015212)
Can you get four game box on mlb.com ?
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:12 PM (#6015213)
Can you get four game box on mlb.com ?


you can get four broadcasts on mlb.tv.
I'm watching the cardinals, angels, cubs and mets game (Cubs just ended so added the Blue Jays)
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:16 PM (#6015214)
Off the bat, I swore Knizner was going to have a homerun, it hit the wall and Winker somewhat miss-played it. The wind killed that ball.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:18 PM (#6015215)
About the broadcasts, you have options on how you want to watch also.. you have one game, you can do two games, equal size screen, you can do four broadcasts equal size screen, and my preferred format is four broadcasts, with a primary screen and three smaller screens to the right.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6015216)
Gant's day is over, but he qualifies for a quality start, another one for the Cardinals this week, after a season with just one, now they have a few more. (I think this is 5th quality start for the Cardinals, and they missed a sixth by one out because of Shildt over managing.)
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:23 PM (#6015217)
Not sure how I feel about that pinch hit attempt. Cardinals are up 2-0, in the sixth inning, the starting pitcher for the Cardinals has thrown only 80 pitches, has only allowed 3 hits (two walks though) at the same time, 1st and third two outs and you have a decent hitter in Dean on the bench, you kinda have to make the move.

It failed, but it was going to fail most of the time anyway, you still have to take the chance... this is one of those decisions that no matter what you do, there is a negative.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 06:36 PM (#6015219)
Carlson loving batting second in the lineup. 3 for 4 today, and was out by about half a step the one time he made an out.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: April 24, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6015221)
I get why the Cardinals are not warming up a pitcher, but as of right now, they might want to... Cardinals batting with 2 outs, but the 7th hitter is up to bat... You kinda have to at least prepare for a potential situation that the pitcher might bat this inning.

As I'm typing this, Reyes gets up in the bullpen, and is just more or less stretching up, which is a good plan.

   20. Walt Davis Posted: April 24, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6015224)
Sign of the apocalypse: Bieber walks Odor
   21. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 24, 2021 at 08:29 PM (#6015225)
Yankees leading Indians 2-1 through 7, with Cole at 111-pitches (3 hits, 11 K), and Bieber done at 119 (4 hits, 9 K). Is that a 2021 ‘record’? Not many games with both starters over 100 pitches, I would guess.
   22. JJ1986 Posted: April 24, 2021 at 09:12 PM (#6015227)
Padres off to a good start.
   23. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 24, 2021 at 09:23 PM (#6015228)
Arguably the big story of that game was Darvish 7 IP, 1 R.

That was huge.
   24. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 24, 2021 at 10:19 PM (#6015229)
Will the Dodgers ever win again ?
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: April 24, 2021 at 11:46 PM (#6015230)
Snell moves 3,000 miles, gets to face the Dodgers again, is lifted with a 1-run lead in the 6th again - and watches helplessly as an inferior reliever shats the ballpark and the Dodgers take the lead. #dejavualloveragain

(not nearly as extreme as the World Series managerial brain fart, on many levels. but I chuckled anyway)
   26. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 24, 2021 at 11:53 PM (#6015232)
and the Dodgers take the lead.

NO ! BASEBALL GODS !
#### YOU , ############# !
   27. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 24, 2021 at 11:55 PM (#6015233)
No worries, Treinen will fork it up !
   28. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:02 AM (#6015234)

dodger relievers looking like the StL bullpen, giving it back ... wild pitch with bases loaded and in comes a run.

LA up 5-4.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:15 AM (#6015237)
concession noted: all the preseason hype surrounding the Padres-Dodgers kind of made me recoil.

but geesh, these two series already have been pretty epic - especially for April.

Tatis is the second visiting player with back-to-back multi-HR games at Dodgers Stadium.

the first was a fella named Barry Bonds.

Tatis victimized Kershaw Kershaw Bauer Bauer.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6015239)
and no dog in the hunt here, but a couple of key punchouts late has me suspecting the home plate ump has Dodgers Underoos on beneath those uniform trousers....
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#6015245)
13 in a row for the A's, after a 1-7 start to the season.
   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:43 AM (#6015251)
sorry El Hombre, your team is getting crushed right now.
Seeing Shoehei Ohtani in the outfield was probably sufficient to ease his pain.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6015267)
nice manufactured run in the first for the Cardinals. Carlson is relishing batting second so far.
   34. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6015269)

edmon doing the scrappy edmon thing, getting a hit, taking third on a single to left center when he sees it's not covered, then scores on a grounder. i like it.

but i also like 3R home runs ... especially against this team.
   35. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 02:45 PM (#6015271)

tyler obliges, but with no one on base. i'll take it.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6015273)
but i also like 3R home runs ... especially against this team.


I'm fine with my team scoring runs anyway they can, and I'm pleasantly happy that the Cardinals starting pitching has been as good as any team out there for the past week. If we can just get Shildt to stop pulling too early, the runs allowed might be lower as a team.
   37. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6015274)

agree, certainly. the pitching and how pitchers are being handled is another matter entirely.
   38. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:30 PM (#6015276)
It might not be a 3 run hr, but 2 solo hr's isn't bad either.
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:37 PM (#6015280)
It's of course very early, but Carlson is definitely making a case for roy consideration so far.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:49 PM (#6015282)
That ball definitely got away from Flaherty, India isn't happy, but no way was that intentional.... but it was very close to being very, very ugly. Hit India in the helmet.
   41. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:50 PM (#6015283)
Cardinals get a warning for accidently hitting the batter, and somehow David Bell, the manager of the Reds ends up getting tossed from the game.
   42. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6015284)

some of it looks like joe west deciding he has to control the game, and bell upset because maybe he's not tossing flaherty, though i have no idea how he has any reason to want that outcome.

but west is now being patient, letting bell get his money's worth.
   43. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM (#6015285)

now a little bit of tempers ... india, the guy who got hit, is chirping.

funny how we seem to have some thing every year with cincy.

   44. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:56 PM (#6015286)
I think Bell had a point, not about throwing out Flaherty, but the warning made no sense, it actually ties the Reds hands more than it does the Cardinals.
   45. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6015287)

okay, they are on a commercial break. can't wait to see if there are some more words and chest thumping during the between innings.
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 03:58 PM (#6015288)
Just flipped to the Angels game, Bregman has reached base in 42 consecutive games against the Angels (1 fewer than Frank Thomas)

It's a fairly specific record, but it's still impressive.
   47. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:00 PM (#6015289)

cfb, you mean because it's automatic ejections if there's another hit batter, right?

even dan and whatsisname were having similar observations.
   48. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:01 PM (#6015290)
cfb, you mean because it's automatic ejections if there's another hit batter, right?


Yes.
   49. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:02 PM (#6015291)

dan pointing out that dejong is doing a little peacemaking with votto after getting on base, it's how teams sometimes get messages to each other that way ...
   50. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:03 PM (#6015292)

that was joe west's 193rd career ejection, according to dan. is that a record?

ugh, west has been umpiring since 1976. geez.
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:06 PM (#6015293)
ugh, west has been umpiring since 1976. geez.


Players have been born and retired and put in the hof (Roy Halladay) in that time frame, maybe there should be a limit to how long you can manage.
   52. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:11 PM (#6015296)

hah, they are talking about the father/son ejections west has done in his career. what a maroon!

   53. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6015297)
Horton said "if you told me in the 50's that there would be a 6-5-3 double play, they would have said what are you talking about."....


Umm, I'm pretty sure that wasn't an uncommon double play, the uncommon factor is of course it happening at second base not third. It's not exactly common, but I'm sure it has happened a couple of times a year.
   54. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:13 PM (#6015298)

huh, a 6-5-3 double play courtesy of the shift. they made it look easy.
   55. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:14 PM (#6015300)

have a coke on me cfb ...
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:18 PM (#6015301)
Or not, looking into it, it does appear that the 6-5-3 is not something that happens too often.... I just figured a shortstop would field a ball to his right and throw to third at least once or twice a season.
   57. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:29 PM (#6015302)

boy, jordan hicks has so much upside. that last pitch that he struck that guy out with was nasty.
   58. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:36 PM (#6015304)

nuts. sloppy play on a potential DP and a wild pitch and a fat pitch down the middle and suddenly the tying run is at the plate. dang.
   59. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:38 PM (#6015305)

... and now hicks over 26 pitches in the inning ...

whew, an easy out.
   60. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:38 PM (#6015306)
Shohei Ohtani just hit his 7th homer. He's tied for the league lead.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6015310)
Dylan Carlson really loves batting second apparently.
   62. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:04 PM (#6015313)

holy crap that was about the worst 4 pitches i've ever seen from reyes ...
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6015314)
bs call there, but if you aren't coming close to the zone, you aren't going to calls.
   64. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6015315)

oh christ now he gets robbed by the ump. just great.
   65. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:07 PM (#6015316)

whew! cards win.

good night and good luck!

   66. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6015318)
Raisel Iglesias actually converts a save! Our short, local nightmare is over! Angels win!
   67. Walt Davis Posted: April 25, 2021 at 05:47 PM (#6015320)
I just figured a shortstop would field a ball to his right and throw to third at least once or twice a season.

3B is not near the bag and will usually be breaking to his left on a ball hit towards the hole. By the time 3B gets back to the bag for the force, not enough time to throw across to get the batter. If it's that close to the SS and that hard hit, easier to try for the DP via 2B. So you do see 6-5 forces now and then, maybe more likely 6-5 tag plays, when the SS is deep in the hole with momentun going away from 2B ... maybe if a Molina is the batter.
   68. Nasty Nate Posted: April 25, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6015321)
This Arizona/Atlanta game is a 7-inning one, right?
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 06:22 PM (#6015322)
yes
   70. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 08:41 PM (#6015346)

tatis with a home run already today.

5 HR in his last 11 AB in dodger stadium.

sheesh.
   71. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:12 PM (#6015350)
Dodgers’ HBP tonight: 3

Total inches moved by Dodgers batters to try to avoid getting hit by pitch: 0
   72. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:27 PM (#6015354)

the two i saw were breaking balls right at their thigh. no self respecting batter tries to avoid a pitch like that.

   73. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2021 at 09:39 PM (#6015356)
And no self-respecting umpire should give them first base.
   74. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:12 PM (#6015359)
the MLB Network window for this LAD-SDP game is for 7 pm to 10 pm ET.

in real life, it took a bases-loaded, inning-ending DP to get us to the middle of the 7th inning as "the buzzer sounded."

maybe part of MLB's problem is that they are in denial. if you are cool with 4-hour games, then prove it and list the game as "7 pm to 11 pm." sure, it might end a little early - but it's almost always going to be a lot more accurate than the current effort.
   75. Nasty Nate Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:18 PM (#6015362)
And no self-respecting umpire should give them first base.
Every umpire in the history of the game gives the batter first on that type of HBP.
   76. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:46 PM (#6015371)
Wonder if the Dodgers IBB Tatis here in the 9th representing the tying run, with first base occupied and one out...
   77. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6015373)
OK, Tatis takes Ball One, about 15 inches outside, then flails at the next pitch, only about 8 inches outside.
   78. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:48 PM (#6015375)
Then he swings at the next pitch, again, about a foot outside the strike zone.

Then the pitcher finally throws a strike on 1-2----why?---which Tatis hits into left for a single.
   79. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:51 PM (#6015377)
Not a great showing by Jimmy Nelson, entering with a two-run lead---single, fly out, single, single, single, tie game.

EDIT: Then he walks the bases loaded before wriggling out of it by getting the next two guys.

Makes me wonder about the Dodgers pen---are guys injured or just unavailable?
   80. Snowboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 10:54 PM (#6015378)
I thought the "Marine Layer" fog in LA was a morning thing?
Does it happen at night too? Dave Roberts, on the air?
   81. Snowboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:15 PM (#6015386)
salvo[79] They say KJansen is unavailable.
re my [80]comment LAD did not IBB Tatis when he represented [76] the tying run, and Roberts sent in Jimmy Nelson for his first save ever, and had no one warming up behind him in the bullpen? Nelson allowed runs, didn't get the save, we go to Extras.
Great for the fans...so someone says, ghost runner on base.
   82. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6015395)
Max Muncy has walked five times tonight.

He was already tied for the NL lesd going into the game, with 16.
   83. Snowboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:33 PM (#6015396)
Kershaw as a PH in extras with bases loaded, score tied.
All LAD needs is a poke, but I admit, this is a *little* exciting.
   84. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:33 PM (#6015397)
It blows my mind that both teams had to pinch hit with pitchers in the 10th inning.
   85. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:34 PM (#6015398)
Huh. Hill just threw the ultra-rare actually rising fastball.
   86. Howie Menckel Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6015404)
Nelson has been healthy enough to throw 22 (terrible) MLB innings in 2018-2020, and he doesn't turn 32 until June, so - ok I got nothing.

they had him pitch 25 and 18 pitches in his 2 innings.

Jansen's workload will be tightly monitored all year, and Knebel's arm just fell off the other day. Treinen, they had hoped to stay away from.

I assumed they'd finish tonight with Price and Graterol (who is just off the DL), but they brought them in earlier. I guess The Jimmy Nelson, Boy Closer plan was there all along.

also could be that, hey, they hardly ever lose - so does it even matter what we do? you know we're going to win anyway.
   87. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:41 PM (#6015405)
What a great game to close out the weekend.
   88. phredbird Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:48 PM (#6015408)

why on god's green earth did they pitch to hosmer?
   89. Snowboy Posted: April 25, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6015409)
phredbird, regardless of the outcome in this particular game, that's a good q
   90. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:00 AM (#6015410)
Is this game really coming up on 5 hours?
   91. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:06 AM (#6015411)
Plate ump is not exactly covering himself in glory tonight.
   92. phredbird Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:16 AM (#6015412)

ya, doc blinked i guess. i can't believe he didn't think to just IBB hosmer and keep the force on every base.

one bad move can kill ya in a game like this, especially as noted elsewhere, you never know when the ump is going to call a ball a strike and vice versa.
   93. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:18 AM (#6015414)
also could be that, hey, they hardly ever lose - so does it even matter what we do? you know we're going to win anyway.


That seems to be Dave Roberts' philosophy this year. He's put sub-par relievers into games in big spots to stop guys from going back to back. It works out sometimes, and blows up other times. But Jansen has also blown up when he's pitched back to back games. One issue with the Dodgers is that their bullpen is pretty awful, so when Treinen and Jansen aren't available, it can get ugly. The one thing I didn't get was not doing a squeeze play, even if just a safety squeeze with Kershaw up and 1st/3rd with one out.
   94. Howie Menckel Posted: April 26, 2021 at 12:20 AM (#6015415)
this one went a shade over 5 hours for 11 innings.

I have mentioned on several occasions attending the Mets' 18-inning win over the Pirates on April 28, 1985

the Mets scored in the first inning on a grand slam by Daryl Strawberry that plated Howard Johnson, Keith Hernandez, and Gary Carter for a 4-0 edge only 5 batters into the game.

the Mets then went scoreless for 16 innings, including at one point the famous final appearance in the field of Rusty Staub's distinguished career. Rusty was, well, maybe he could have mixed in a salad at that point of his career but he was a gourmet chef with a stellar Manhattan ribs joint (still the best I have ever had). hijinks ensued, as the Mets kept moving him to RF for RH batters - then having him waddle over to our LF side for LH batters. Rusty even made a diving catch. what a day.

time of game? 5 hours, 21 minutes. somehow they squeezed in 7 extra innings in only a few minutes of additional time before the Mets won it in the 18th when Mookie Wilson scored on an error by the first baseman.

#foreshadowing

.................

meanwhile, it happens every spring dept - or more precisely, about twice a year.

MLB teams down by 6+ runs after the 7th inning, in the last 50 years:

100 W
13,547 L
0-49 this season

but now 101-13,547 and 1-49

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