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1. Hombre Brotani

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 07:49 PM (#6036808)

HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?!

2. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 08:43 PM (#6036809)

I'm hating chrome right now, for some reason it's blocking me from this site.

3. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 08:44 PM (#6036810)

let me try again after disconnecting surfshark

4. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 08:44 PM (#6036811)

nope not that.

5. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 08:45 PM (#6036812)

Apparently bbtf lost it's secure status, and that is the issue.... do you need a donation, I'm willing?

6. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 27, 2021 at 08:53 PM (#6036813)

I cannot find a way to make chrome allow a user to declare a site is safe.
I might have to uses whatever it is that microsoft is using.

7. JJ1986 Posted: August 27, 2021 at 09:13 PM (#6036815)

I had to click once in Firefox and now it's not showing me the message anymore.

8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 27, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6036816)

The site's security certificate has expired. Jim or someone needs to replace it with a new one.

9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2021 at 10:50 PM (#6036818)

Giancarlo Stanton HRs to 2nd deck in CF @ Oakland (472 feet), described by Oakland broadcaster as “longest HR I’ve seen at the Oakland Coliseum”. Luke Voit follows with his own more modest solo shot. 2-0.

10. Walt Davis Posted: August 27, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6036819)

Glad to know it's not just me.

Meanwhile, a classis Cubs August game. Jump out to a 6-1 lead over the Sox in the second, proceed to give up 12 runs over 3 innings to trail 13-6. If there's a highlight it's that Wisdom has shaved his beard but kept the mustache so now looks less like Bryant and a bit more like Mike Schmidt (but not much). Still it did the trick and he homered earlier.

I guess the other highlight would be the most classic dropped pop-up you've ever seen. With 2 outs (of course), simple pop to SS, Romine is totally there, has it under control, non-chalants it, hits off center in the glove, look of "oh ####\" crosses his face, still has a half-decent chance to grab it before it hits the ground but doesn't. You could easily show this to Little Leaguers for the next century.

White Sox highlight is probably Reynaldo Lopez holding the Cubs scoreless for 5 innings in relief.

11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:20 PM (#6036820)

ALL RISE: Aaron Judge’s 3-run HR to CF puts the Yankees up 5-0. Good night for the outfield of giants.

12. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:50 PM (#6036822)

The site's security certificate has expired. Jim or someone needs to replace it with a new one.

Or some other ####### !

13. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:51 PM (#6036823)

Deep #### !

14. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:51 PM (#6036824)

Dip sheet !

15. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:52 PM (#6036825)

What the hell is going on here ?

16. Brian C Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:53 PM (#6036826)

Tonight's a pretty representative game for the Cubs over the past couple of months. The offense surprisingly isn't appreciably worse since the deadline purge; Schwindel, Ortega, Wisdom, and even Chirinos have done an admirable job of matching the contributions of the guys that left. Obviously the rest of the lineup is filled with scrubs, but that was true before the purge, too.

But the pitching (h/t defense) has truly been next-level nightmare hideous. And sure, they traded away some guys in the bullpen that were doing pretty solid jobs ... but they didn't trade nearly enough away to be this bad. And so you get games like tonight, where the offense shows up, at least for one inning, but it's not enough. Or even close to being enough, for that matter. Including tonight, they're giving up 7.3 r/g in the month of August. The Cubs' offense hasn't been good lately by any means, but even a truly great offense couldn't keep up with that.

Barring an amazing comeback win - and to be fair, as I write this, the Sox are doing their best to keep things interesting - the Cubs will be 0-3 in August when scoring 10+ runs and only 2-9 when scoring 5+. I mean, just think about that.

17. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 27, 2021 at 11:58 PM (#6036827)

If this site is UNSAFE, then HOLY COW !

18. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 28, 2021 at 12:02 AM (#6036828)

JIM just secured Kabul airport !

19. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 28, 2021 at 12:03 AM (#6036829)

Good boy !

20. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 28, 2021 at 12:06 AM (#6036830)

Man, ever since Stanton got hit in the face, he is just a loser.

21. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 28, 2021 at 12:07 AM (#6036831)

Yanks need to get rid of Stanton and Judge. Those clowns !

22. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 28, 2021 at 12:17 AM (#6036832)

Let's go Yankees !

23. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 28, 2021 at 01:14 AM (#6036833)

The Yankees win 13 in a row!

24. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 07:35 AM (#6036838)

The site's security certificate has expired. Jim or someone needs to replace it with a new one.

Fixed now. Just checking in again, Jim, do want donations or anything, I'm not giving bb-ref my money because it's an absurdly high amount, but $5 or so for this site is an easy expense.

25. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:51 AM (#6036846)

I'm not giving bb-ref my money because it's an absurdly high amount

Any site that I go to multiple times a day, that I actually *use*, and that I would have a hard time finding a replacement for if it were gone, gets my money. And it's not really absurdly high, if you actually use the site a lot.

Back in the day I used to buy annual digests, the Sporting News set of annual books, etc., and adjusted for inflation (or even not) I'm sure I was paying way more for a less-robust set of resources.

26. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:54 AM (#6036847)

Same thing for sites that allow a certain number of free visits over a period of time: if I find I'm exceeding my allotment and I want to see the material, I get a subscription. It's usually a few bucks---at most--a month, and these people have to make a living, too. I'm happy to support resources that I like and that are useful to me.

27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:14 AM (#6036849)

I had assumed the presence of so many insecure Primates was the problem. Maybe not?

28. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#6036852)

Any site that I go to multiple times a day, that I actually *use*, and that I would have a hard time finding a replacement for if it were gone, gets my money. And it's not really absurdly high, if you actually use the site a lot.

At $40 a year, I was fine with it, at $80 a year which is over the cost of a streaming site, for a site that just half ass provides data, it's absurd. Considering their new system pi, is inferior to what they had before.

29. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:44 AM (#6036854)

Same thing for sites that allow a certain number of free visits over a period of time: if I find I'm exceeding my allotment and I want to see the material, I get a subscription. It's usually a few bucks---at most--a month, and these people have to make a living, too. I'm happy to support resources that I like and that are useful to me.

And I'm fine with it. If bb-ref asked me to give them $12 a year just for their site, I would do it in a heart beat. PI was something that I did use semi frequently, it's something that I can program with Access and do on my own with the lahman's database on an annual basis if I wanted to spend the 20 hours or so programming that it takes to make an equivalent engine (or actually I've got code that does a bit more than pi did... as I wanted to create not just a black list of leaders, but a gray list (top ten or top #) but I just didn't want to go to the work for no reason to make my own database, and bb-ref has larger source files than Lahman now)

At $80 a year, it's just not worth it. They no longer allow you to search from a previously created search... that alone makes it worth less than the previous service, on top of that the interface is annoying as ####, as it constantly ask you to update instead of just selecting options and then allowing you as the user to click update when you want. The silly design assumption of assuming the user is an idiot is annoying.

30. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 11:08 AM (#6036859)

I just watched a video... apparently Votto doesn't like it when you hit his teammate. 4 consecutive times when the guy in front of Votto got hit by a pitch, Votto hit a homerun.

31. Walt Davis Posted: August 28, 2021 at 06:48 PM (#6036886)

Per ESPN, Polanco has finally been actually released. Given the weirdness here, I'm not sure if the waiver period has passed or not but I suppose there's still (barely) enough time for that time to pass and anotehr team add him to the roster in time to be playoff-eligible. If not it seems extra jerky of the Pirates to wait this long to release him.

32. Voodoo Posted: August 28, 2021 at 07:42 PM (#6036889)

if I wanted to spend the 20 hours or so programming that it takes to make an equivalent engine

At $80 a year, it's just not worth it.

Seems like you are severely undervaluing your own programming skills on a per hour basis.

33. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 07:56 PM (#6036891)

Horrible bases-loaded AB by Dylan Carlson: the pitcher threw seven pitches out of the strike zone, and Carlson swung at five of them, fouling off three, ultimately striking out. Only one of the pitches was even close, but still clearly a ball.

34. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 07:57 PM (#6036893)

Luckily for Carlson, he gets picked up by Edmundo Sosa, who triples for the second time in the game (it's the 3rd inning).

35. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 07:59 PM (#6036894)

And then Wainwright drives in Sosa with a bleeder up the middle. 7-0 Birds.

36. Brian C Posted: August 28, 2021 at 08:21 PM (#6036897)

Ortega with the grand slam to put the Cubs up 6-0 in the 4th, and the Cubs' offense continues to be curiously not-terrible.

37. salvomania Posted: August 28, 2021 at 08:24 PM (#6036898)

Frank Schwindel just had an 8-pitch AB against Lance Lynn: Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Swinging Strike.

38. Brian C Posted: August 28, 2021 at 08:37 PM (#6036900)

And Wisdom hits another homer, 7-0. Also has had some nice plays at 3B. Now that I'm in my 40s, I have a soft spot for the late-bloomer types ... maybe the dream is still alive for me?? No, that's crazy.

39. Brian C Posted: August 28, 2021 at 08:38 PM (#6036901)

Frank Schwindel just had an 8-pitch AB against Lance Lynn: Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Foul, Swinging Strike.

Damn, I was up for a bit and I missed that sequence, that's pretty awesome. Can't blame guys for swinging away at Lynn today, dude's pretty hittable.

40. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:02 PM (#6036902)

waino with an 8-0 lead going into the 6th.... 1 hit allowed so far... with a league leading 3 cg, he's challenging for a fourth... only 55 pitches so far.

41. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:14 PM (#6036903)

67 pitches through 7... at 39 years old, he's having a pretty fantastic season. (he turns 40 in two days)

42. Hombre Brotani

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:26 PM (#6036905)

Call the cops. Shohei Ohtani just took a pitch off his pitching hand.

43. Hombre Brotani

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:28 PM (#6036906)

Ohtani's been pulled from the game.

44. Hombre Brotani

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:31 PM (#6036907)

So weird. The ruling on the two-strike pitch that hit Ohtani is that the pitch hit him as he swung (eh), but since the bat didn't hit the ball, he was ruled as having struck out swinging.

45. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6036908)

why is that weird?

46. Hombre Brotani

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6036911)

Because it looked like Ohtani was trying to get out of the way, but the bat came around after he got hit.

47. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:50 PM (#6036912)

Seems like you are severely undervaluing your own programming skills on a per hour basis.

Not really... I would have to do a bunch of reading to do it, in reality it's roughly a 3 hour job for someone who "knows" what they are doing. For a guy like me, I would have to spend a crap ton of time of research in order to do it, but I'm more than capable of doing it. I know what needs to be done, I understand the concepts and have the programming languages necessary to do it.(although beyond Access, I'm not sure I need any third party software for the Lahman database)

48. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 09:55 PM (#6036913)

93 pitches after 7 innings, unlikely to have a complete game now, especially with a 10-0 lead.

49. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:04 PM (#6036916)

Molina is no longer catching as Knizner is pinch hitting for him, a bit strange.

50. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:08 PM (#6036918)

12-0 with a Carlson homerun... a strong month from Carlson will put him back into the roy discussion.

51. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:11 PM (#6036919)

waino is out... only pitched 7 innings... 0 runs, 3 hits allowed, 1 walk. 93 pitches. seasonal era drops to 2.97.

52. The Duke Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:41 PM (#6036922)

Cards announcer dropped news tonight that he’s been told by a friend in Mets org that Degrom will not pitch again this year. Was this known?

53. The Duke Posted: August 28, 2021 at 10:53 PM (#6036924)

I think the Pirates waived Polanco to see if anyone would bite and pay the remaining 2.4 million. Now the dfa is to allow him to latch on with a playoff team. Seems reasonable

54. The Duke Posted: August 28, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6036929)

Giants are simply not going to let Dodgers win division - what a race. Padres sinking deeper into abyss. That wild card race is getting really interesting with Padres, reds, cards, Philllies and maybe Mets all vying for last spot

55. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 12:36 AM (#6036934)

Cards announcer dropped news tonight that he’s been told by a friend in Mets org that Degrom will not pitch again this year. Was this known?

pretty much, yeah.

he was transferred to 60-day IL and is not eligible to be activated before Sept. 13. plus he's just light-tossing even at this point. that above is like the most lukewarm "hot take" imaginable. saying he WILL pitch again this year? that would indeed be a hot take.

56. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:15 AM (#6036943)

random things I saw, just because I clicked on MLB.com to check the time of the Cardinal game.

1. Starling Marte stole his 20th base for the A's, making him the first player to have 20 steals in both leagues in the same season.

What is cool about that is that means people are still stealing bases... I'm a Cardinal fan, and didn't think people still did that sort of thing. On top of that, Marte is currently 3rd in the NL in steals and 4th in the Al in steals. (tied with the guy I'm going to mention in the next part)

2. Ohtani stole his 20th base of the season today. I get that 20/40 isn't really a thing, but it's impressive enough... add in he might end up being 20/40/10 for the season (with the 10 being wins as a pitcher) and he might have one of the more impressive (understatement) seasons of all time.

Baseball is just awesome.

57. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 29, 2021 at 09:43 AM (#6036944)

By b-war, Edmundo Sosa has more war in half the plate appearances than Dylan Carlson. Not sure I agree with it fully, but most of that difference is rfield, where Carlson spent a lot of time playing out of position in center instead of the corner where he's probably a plus defender. Carlson will probably get some roy votes, if not win the award (actually looking at it, and there isn't a clear frontrunner, regardless of what people think of Jonathan India)

58. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:00 AM (#6036945)

From the wrap article on Waino's game last night.

With 24 scoreless innings against the Pirates in August, Wainwright became the first pitcher with as many zeros against a team in a single month since Bill Bailey in 1915, according to ESPN Stats and Info. When Bailey did it, he played for teams called the Baltimore Terrapins and the Chicago Whales. It came against the Brooklyn Tip Tops.

Wainwright is doing it when the prevalence of video and analytics are higher than they’ve ever been.

And...

Had Wainwright pitched one more scoreless inning, he would have become the first pitcher age 39 or older since Tom Seaver to throw at least five scoreless outings of eight innings or more in a season.

59. The Duke Posted: August 29, 2021 at 10:50 AM (#6036949)

He really ran out of steam in 7th. Hard to argue with pulling him. He was cruising and then he wasn’t

60. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: August 29, 2021 at 01:22 PM (#6036973)

since Bill Bailey in 1915

Dad!

Actually, that was indeed my father's name. Given name was Billy, which he hated. Clyde as a middle name didn't help much, either.

I've wondered for years if he was middle-named for Clyde Barrow, who'd already made quite a name for himself, particularly in that area (southeast La.) when my father was born in 2/33. (Bonne & Clyde were killed 15 months after near where my dad was born.)

61. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6036975)

Did he ever come home?

62. Howie Menckel Posted: August 29, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6036976)

Thor gets positive COVID test, so will miss his second rehab start - and puts his season in jeopardy as well.

went to Jerry Koosman Night last night, as Mets finally retired his jersey. fellow '69 Mets Ed Kranepool, Art Shamsky, and Wayne Garrett were in attendance, as was now de facto Mets ambassador Mike Piazza. well-done ceremony.

Kooz: "I wish I could still fit in my old uniform - and do it all over again."

Amen, bro !

good crowd, stunned by Conforto's clutch late 3-run PH HR for a 5-3 win as Braves lose to boot.

Mets now 7.5 games back on Aug. 29.
'69 Mets were 6 back on Aug. 23 and 5 games back on Sept. 3.

I turned 8 on the day of the sixth win in a 7-game streak, launching a 38-11 finish and a ticket toward immortality......

63. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: August 29, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6036977)

Javy Baez is fascinating to watch as a batter. The gulf between his homer and his earlier strikeout both against the same pitcher is amazing.

64. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 29, 2021 at 03:17 PM (#6036980)

Juan Soto HRs to CF @ Mets (to go with his 2 BB), #22 of the season & #91 of his career, which ties Ted Williams (and Bob Horner) for 9th on the Age-22 Career HR Leaderboard. Impressive.

65. cardsfanboy

Posted: August 29, 2021 at 04:07 PM (#6036990)

that sucked.

66. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: August 29, 2021 at 04:38 PM (#6036992)

Thor gets positive COVID test, so will miss his second rehab start - and puts his season in jeopardy as well.

With the qualification that the Phils are as COVID stupid as any team, that’s as Metsian as it comes.

67. sanny manguillen Posted: August 29, 2021 at 05:51 PM (#6037001)

I think the Pirates waived Polanco to see if anyone would bite and pay the remaining 2.4 million. Now the dfa is to allow him to latch on with a playoff team. Seems reasonable

I didn't see/hear it, but it seems there's been some chanting of "DFA" directed at him recently. Could be a contributing factor, though I admit to confusion about the whole situation.

68. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 29, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6037003)

Houck throwing kind of an ugly no-no through 5 which includes 4 BB. He's young and on 81 pitches so there's no way they'd let him finish it. He also has pretty bad numbers 3rd time through the order and in the 6th will be facing 2-4 to start, so that'll be a nice test.
Red Sox up 4-0, however gaining ground on the "teams that never lose"(with yesterday's NY game an exception) seems to be an impossible task.

69. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 29, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6037004)

Not around a lot but noticed the Brewers are doing really well but the once pretty present Brewer fan crowd here is gone. Any story there?

70. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 29, 2021 at 06:41 PM (#6037008)

In the 6th, Houck gives up a dinger and 3 runs. 3rd time through the order penalty still applies....

71. stanmvp48 Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:20 PM (#6037011)

Why are padres and angels off on a sunday?

72. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:25 PM (#6037012)

Trailing 5-0, the Dodgers bring in Justin Turner to pitch the ninth. They also had Mookie Betts start the game on the bench, after starting him at second base yesterday. I have no idea what the Dodgers are doing.

73. stanmvp48 Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:30 PM (#6037014)

Not hitting that's for sure. Take away Danield Bard's typical performance yesterday, the Dodgers have scored four runs in three games.

74. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:35 PM (#6037015)

Milwaukee has an 8.5 game lead with 30 to play. That's just amazing. No gloating. Kind of hard to process.

75. stanmvp48 Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:46 PM (#6037017)

Without any one close to being an MVP contender, that I can see.

76. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 29, 2021 at 07:50 PM (#6037019)

Red Sox overcooked pen blows several leads, Sox lose 7-5. Of course losing ground to the "teams that never lose." Rays of course have already won and I'm sure NY will right the ship and get back on track later today.

77. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: August 30, 2021 at 12:29 AM (#6037063)

Why are padres and angels off on a sunday

No idea. Schedules have gotten weird this year. Maybe it's a corona thing but I don't see the connection. Off-days had been Mondays and Thursdays for as long as I remembered and had been aware. Yankees were just off on a Wednesday and I believe they were off on either a Friday or Saturday within the last couple months. I guess being off on a Sunday is a sure sign that those regular Sunday doubleheaders we all recall so fondly from 60 years ago are not coming back.

78. TomH Posted: August 31, 2021 at 09:55 AM (#6037367)

Yasmani Grandal as of this morning has 40 hits in 2001. He has scored 45 runs, and driven in 48. IOW, he has more runs than hits, and more RBI than hits.
What other MLB players have had a season like that? Who first comes into your mind?

Rickey Henderson. Never scored more runs than he had hits.

Bonds. Ruth. Williams. Gehrig. Never had more R or RBI than H in any season.

Hack Wilson set the RBI record with 191. He had 208 hits that year. Manny Ramirez, 1999; drove in 165. Had more hits.

Not Joey Gallo or Adam Dunn.

Now, I did find this; Mark McGwire, his last 3 seasons, drove in more runs than he had hits.
And, a utility infielder named Tillie Shafer in 1912 scored 48 runs on 47 hits. Some pinch-running appearances helped that.

But NO ONE has scored 50 runs with fewer than 50 hits. NO ONE has driven in 50 runs on fewer than 50 hits. And Yasmani Grandal... might do BOTH of those.

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