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Which managerial opening is the most desirable?

As we wait for tonight’s NLCS to kick off — a preview on that will be up later this morning — let’s talk about all the managerial openings, shall we?

With the Dodgers giving Dave Roberts their vote of confidence last night — and none of the remaining playoff teams being even close to likely to can their current skipper — we seem to be locked in at eight openings: Mets, Phillies, Pirates, Cubs, Giants, Padres, Royals, and Angels.

Which one is the most desirable? My take on the pros and cons of each gig

So, which of these jobs would you take if you had the choice?

 

QLE Posted: October 12, 2019 at 12:09 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: angels, cubs, giants, mets, padres, phillies, pirates, royals

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   1. DFA Posted: October 12, 2019 at 12:42 AM (#5889673)
Cubs or Padres. Cubs have a pretty talented roster and terrific fan base, the Padres have a few terrific young players and a collection of terrific prospects and it's San Diego, so that's nice. The Pirates and the Royals seem like tougher assignments.
   2. Walt Davis Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:04 AM (#5889677)
I'll take the Royals. They even gave Tony Pena 3 years so there's a good chance I'd last at least half a season.

Interim managers aside, is Maury Wills the shortest-tenured manager in history? 58 games to finish off the 1980 season then 24 to start the 1981 season. I'd like to at least make it longer than that and, if I'm hired by a competent team, I can't imagine I make it past the first week of spring training. I need incompetent and loyal -- maybe the Pirates would be an even better choice.

Or the Giants. I promise to do whatever Siri tells me to do.
   3. Lassus Posted: October 12, 2019 at 06:40 AM (#5889688)
The closest team to the playoffs this year was the young Mets. Not really sure why they wouldn't be considered close to the best option here.
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: October 12, 2019 at 07:15 AM (#5889691)
loyal -- maybe the Pirates would be an even better choice.


This one's a lock for two years. No way they're paying two ex-managers.
   5. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5889696)
Gotta think the Padres are the best except I think Preller won’t last long so new GM could fire you. Philly would be good if Middleton likes you. Cubs only have two more years so wouldn’t want that sinking ship. Royals and pirates are likely to be second division most of the time. Angels you get trout but he’s doomed never to be in playoffs. Mets would be good as well if you wanted to deal with NY
   6. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 12, 2019 at 09:35 AM (#5889698)
Mets are a terrible option because they're owned by the Wilpons. The Royals and Pirates are bad options because they're owned by people who are only there to cash the revenue sharing checks and are never going to spend a dime on the team. At least with the Phillies or Angels or Cubs you work for people who are trying to win.
   7. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 10:50 AM (#5889701)
Mets were closest to the playoffs

Cubs had the best Pythagorean record

Angels you get to manage Trout (and Ohtani which would be cool

SD you get Tatis and Machado

Philly...you’d have to convince me

I’d probably pick a team with a decent bullpen as that’s the most challenging part of managing today and the part you’re most likely to be flayed in the media for messing up. Probably the Cubs as long as there was an understanding that we could cut Kimbrel loose early if it appears that he’s simply done
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5889705)
The closest team to the playoffs this year was the young Mets. Not really sure why they wouldn't be considered close to the best option here.

I agree with Lassus here. The Mets have a really good, generally young, core. Their big weakness was the bullpen, which is somewhere a good manager and pitching coach should be able to have outsize impact, picking the right guys off the scrap heap, and the right AA/AAA SPs to use.
   9. Swoboda is freedom Posted: October 12, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5889710)
The closest team to the playoffs this year was the young Mets. Not really sure why they wouldn't be considered close to the best option here.


Because they are in a division with some other good teams with young talent? They have very little on the farm as they stripped it to get Stroman and Cano/Diaz. Also not sure how much payroll they have to work with to add more talent.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5889723)

Because they are in a division with some other good teams with young talent?


The Giants and Padres have the Dodgers in their division, the Cubs, and Pirates have the Cardinals and Brewers, the Angels have the Astros, and the Royals have the Indians. Phillies are obviously the same as the Mets in that regard.

None of these teams has a division without serious rivals. I'd certainly rather have to beat the Braves, Nats, and Phillies, than the Dodgers or Astros.
   11. Captain Supporter Posted: October 12, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5889728)
The closest team to the playoffs this year was the young Mets. Not really sure why they wouldn't be considered close to the best option here.


Brodie, Saul, Jeff and Fred.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 12, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5889730)
Mets are a terrible option because they're owned by the Wilpons.
They don’t have a great record, and the GM is somewhat of an unknown quantity, too - some good, some not so good. However, the Mets would probably pay someone like Girardi well, and there is a large upside if he is successful. However, the same could be said for the Cubs, with possibly fewer concerns about ownership and the front office.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5889747)
Brodie, Saul, Jeff and Fred.

Not sure why that makes a huge difference. The talent is basically there.

Epstein and the Hicks just got rid of the manager who won the Cubs' first WS in 108 years.
   14. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5889753)
The Cubs job seems like a bit of a trap. Plenty of talent and they should be pretty good, at least, but it's a tough division, big question marks on the pitching staff, a front office and ownership group that seems to have already ruled out major financial investments in improving the team and the usual intense scrutiny that comes from managing the Chicago Cubs.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 12, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5889757)
The Cubs job seems like a bit of a trap. Plenty of talent and they should be pretty good, at least, but it's a tough division, big question marks on the pitching staff, a front office and ownership group that seems to have already ruled out major financial investments in improving the team and the usual intense scrutiny that comes from managing the Chicago Cubs.

I'd agree with that. SD has nice young talent, but they've got the Dodgers behemoth in the division, and Preller may be on short leash, which means the manager is too. Giants and Angels also face behemoth rivals. Royals and Pirates are just dumpster fires.

The Mets and Phillies jobs seem like the clear best choices. Good talent on hand. Winnable division.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 12, 2019 at 04:13 PM (#5889806)
The Giants are interviewing Gabe Kapler for their Manager job. Farhan Zaidi is said to “love” Kapler.
   17. Kiko Sakata Posted: October 12, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5889826)
The Cubs job seems like a bit of a trap.


Yeah, where you rank the Cubs depends very heavily on what you're looking for and/or how confident you would be in your own managerial ability. This is almost certainly somewhat biased by my fandom, but the Cubs are probably the most likely of these teams to win the World Series next year. They just won 95 games in 2018 and had 90 Pythag wins in 2019. But they also almost certainly had the best manager in 2019 of any of these teams. So, when I say "most likely of these teams to win the World Series", I'm thinking maybe 5% chance instead of 2-3% for most of the rest of these teams.

If the 2020 Cubs win 90 games but finish in third place again, that's a failure. If the 2020 Padres win 90 games, that's a huge success and their manager is in the running for Manager of the Year.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: October 12, 2019 at 05:24 PM (#5889834)
The Mets aren't so much "young" as "low service time." deGrom will be 32, Stroman 29, McNeil 28. Not sure you can expect JD Davis and Smith to repeat their seasons. I'm not sure there's a single Met I expect to genuinely improve (i.e. in true talent terms) and probably only Noah and Diaz as good bets to perform better next year. One more year of Ramos and Stroman, 2 of Conforto and Noah. This is a win-now team, not a team built for the future (esp if the farm is thin). 5 more years of Alonso is great of course and you'll get all of McNeil's prime (which hopefully lasts another 5 years) but that's obviously nowwhere near enough to guarantee success after 2021.

Still, nothing wrong with winning now, especially if you're one of the new candidates who's only gonna get a 2-3 year contract for $1 M anyway. And the Mets are well-placed for 2020 ... assuming they can finally find a CF in the offseason when none seem to be available.

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