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Monday, September 27, 2021

Why Detroit Tigers, Chicago White Sox stormed the field: ‘It wasn’t intentional’


Detroit Tigers rookie reliever Alex Lange didn’t mean to do it.

“Obviously, I’m not trying to hit a guy in the ninth inning and down by one run after we just put five (runs),” Lange said after Monday’s 8-7 loss to the Chicago White Sox at Comerica Park. “That’s not any way to come into a game. There’s no beef. It happens. It’s baseball. ... It wasn’t intentional.”

Following a five-run eighth inning, cutting the deficit to one run, Tigers manager AJ Hinch called Lange out of the bullpen for the top of the ninth. Slugger Jose Abreu — poised to lead his team on a deep postseason run — stepped to the plate with one out.

Minutes later, the teams were involved in a flurry of activities, highlighted by the benches and bullpens clearing. The Tigers and White Sox didn’t throw any punches, but there was plenty of posturing and pushing from both sides behind second base….

“I’ll say what I have to say to the appropriate people. But this is not the appropriate time or people,” White Sox manager Tony La Russa said. “It seems (the Tigers) have issues when someone plays aggressively but not when they pitch aggressively and beyond the limits. The game is played two ways, not just one way.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 27, 2021 at 09:18 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Cooper Nielson Posted: September 28, 2021 at 01:30 AM (#6042072)
“I’ll say what I have to say to the appropriate people. But this is not the appropriate time or people,” White Sox manager Tony La Russa said. “It seems (the Tigers) have issues when someone plays aggressively but not when they pitch aggressively and beyond the limits. The game is played two ways, not just one way.”

F- you, old man. 0-2 count in a one-run game, for a team that's still trying to win every game it plays. Clearly there was no intent there.

Looking forward to 2022 now.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 28, 2021 at 01:44 AM (#6042073)
Yay, excess testosterone. Woohoo.
   3. RickG Posted: September 28, 2021 at 08:23 AM (#6042084)
From what I can tell, Tony gets most upset when it's a young pitcher on the mound, hitting an established batter. His assertion has been that the young pitchers don't have the control needed to pitch inside, so they shouldn't. If it wasn't the same guy getting hit all the time, this probably would have been nothing more than postgame griping.

BUT...it IS the same guy getting hit all the time. The Sox have been hit 76 times. Abreu has taken more than a quarter of them. And he isn't a jerk, and he doesn't crowd the plate, so it's gotten extremely worrisome.

Sox Machine broke the Abreu angle down quite well: <a>https://soxmachine.com/2021/09/27/jose-abreu-isnt-asking-for-this/</a>

Their point about Tim Timmons is also a good one. The Sox are playoff bound, the Tigers are not, and there is a good chance this weekend's series means absolutely nothing. A 'wayward' DET pitch could ruin the Sox postseason hopes. But you don't want to bench guys to keep them protected, so hopefully TLR was just getting out in front of that a bit.
   4. RickG Posted: September 28, 2021 at 08:25 AM (#6042085)
   5. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: September 28, 2021 at 08:36 AM (#6042086)
Everyone gets all worked up over this stuff but to me this is a big nothingburger. Of course the White Sox are barking at the Tigers after their star gets hit. LaRussa is yapping postgame because he's protecting his star, he's no dummy. Similarly Goodrum had every reason to be pissed, Abreu came in spikes up. As entertaining as this all is from a fan perspective there is nothing here. The benches and bullpen empty and about 70 people are on the field. Of those about 3 or 4 are genuinely upset and the rest are making dinner plans.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: September 28, 2021 at 08:47 AM (#6042091)
BUT...it IS the same guy getting hit all the time. The Sox have been hit 76 times. Abreu has taken more than a quarter of them. And he isn't a jerk, and he doesn't crowd the plate, so it's gotten extremely worrisome.


Jose Abreu has had double-digit HBPs every year of his career except 2020. When that happens that consistently, it's not because of the pitchers.

Everyone gets all worked up over this stuff but to me this is a big nothingburger.


I don't agree. Abreu got hit on an inside pitch, and while it could have been intentional, it likely wasn't. He gets hit a lot because it's not important for him to get out of the way.

His slide was unquestionably intentional and flat out bullshit.
   7. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: September 28, 2021 at 09:06 AM (#6042094)
I don't agree. Abreu got hit on an inside pitch, and while it could have been intentional, it likely wasn't. He gets hit a lot because it's not important for him to get out of the way.

His slide was unquestionably intentional and flat out bullshit.


Agreed all around. But nothing of any significance came of this, the "fight" was a lot of people whipping out their dicks and measuring 'em and the comments from everyone involved were entirely self-serving (as they always are). People love to get worked up when LaRussa says something but he's doing his job here, nothing more nothing less.

I also agree that if Abreu wants to not get hit he should not get hit. David Ortiz crowded the plate like no one's business and got hit 38 times in his career. Abreu has clearly decided he's willing to take one for the team which is fine but don't get pissy about it.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: September 28, 2021 at 09:18 AM (#6042096)
Agreed all around. But nothing of any significance came of this,


Sure, the "fight" itself was nothing.
   9. zenstudent Posted: September 28, 2021 at 01:28 PM (#6042137)
The one common denominator in every grudge/beaning ###-for-tat is LaRussa.
The White Sox are a great team but he makes rooting for them nearly impossible.
   10. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6042338)
TLR is a great manager. He’s ruthless in terms of playing his best players, he hires good coaches, and he’s doesn’t do a ton of dumb managerial stuff. You can always nitpick something here or there but he’s very good at what he does. He’s no more involved in HBP conflicts than anyone else - just been around longer so it seems like it
   11. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 29, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6042428)
Remember when everyone wanted to fire LaRussa cause he didnt defend his player who hit a HR on a 3-0 pitch? Yeah that makes sense.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: September 29, 2021 at 09:08 PM (#6042459)
Remember when everyone wanted to fire LaRussa cause he didnt defend his player who hit a HR on a 3-0 pitch? Yeah that makes sense.
"didn't defend" isn't quite what happened, but I'm sure you know that.

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