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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Wednesday, January 19, 2022Why does Baseball Hall of Fame voting make people so mad?
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Posted: January 19, 2022 at 12:25 PM | 26 comment(s)
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1. alilisd Posted: January 19, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6061626)Really? The industry's foremost expert? Is there something to this other than he came up with a little tool for WAR to compare players?
I find the voting wonderfully amusing. Right now on the tracker more people believe Wagner is more deserving then Sheffield and Andruw is just above Wagner by 2 votes. Do these people actually watch baseball? It's fascinating how voters perceive worthiness. Needless to point out my usual statements about guys like Hudson, Buehrle and Pettitte not garnering as much support combined as Wagner has. It is truly mesmerising.
mesmerisingangering.Take the examples of the Oscars versus the People's Choice Awards. While the Oscar voters have clear prejudices for and against certain types of movies, I believe that they know more about movies than I do so I at least follows who wins. The People's Choice Awards are a joke that I pay no attention to or care enough about to even bother to read who wins because the voters are clueless.
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I don’t believe this even exists. HOF analysis is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion on how much a player’s drug use or politics should be considered along with what they did on the field.
But still Jaffe is at least doing something I assume he loves so kudos.
NBA Basketball: 4374 players, 401 inducted = 9.16% of all players enshrined. They may not be all NBA players, though.
NFL football: 23204 players, 346 inducted = 1.49% of all players enshrined.
ML baseball: 19902 players, 333 inducted = 1.67% of all players enshrined.
NHL hockey: 7623 players, 190 inducted = 2.49% of all players enshrined.
Done this way, the most exclusive is the Pro Football Hall, followed by ML baseball, NHL hockey, and NBA basketball.
Only about 110 NBA players are in the Hall. Baseball has 267 players though a good amount are NLers (26).
Like I'm going to remember the name Russ Ortiz but if you ask me between Daryl Porter and Talmadge Nunnari which one played baseball that would be a coin flip for me.
I mean, people aren't really mad about the Baseball Hall of Fame. People are "internet mad" about it, but that's not authentic. Anyone behind a keyboard and not within a right hook of anyone in their discussion group tends to exaggerate how bad they think other people are. Twitter is the worst because it's a petulance factory. No person who has ever done something considered wrong can have attention called to a genuinely, objectively good thing they've done without thousands tweeting in reply "Let's not forget this person did this other thing and is horrible," a thing that literally no people had forgotten before that. But even away from the safe distance of social media, for millennia people have tried to bolster the acceptance of their own opinions by labeling opposing views as atrocities. The internet provides a more efficient process for doing so without material consequence, and that's at play for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
That aside, what makes nerds mad (or at least "internet mad") is inefficiency. I've said long ago that nearly every complaint of every nerd boils down to "I got everything I wanted, but it happened so inefficiently!" The voting process is inefficient. Bert Blyleven deserved to be in the Hall of Fame, but it took 15 years of voting for the process to give that result. There are people on the ballot this year who will not make the Hall of Fame this year, but will make the Hall of Fame eventually - and I'm sure that includes people who are in their final year on the ballot. The fact that a substantial proportion of votes are public encourages the criticism, because we can see the inefficiency at work. Some piece of junk voted only for Jeff Kent! The process, in general, has worked damn well, but it definitely could work more efficiently.
If Chris Berman had ever heard of him, he'd be Talmadge "Get thee to a" Nunnari.
With Blyleven, like, almost nobody was saying he should be in the Hall of Fame, and it wasn't because almost nobody was irrational about it. They were rational, but they were underinformed. They were used to conventional stats telling us what we needed to know, and they processed that information rationally. Once Lederer started making his case, and beating that drum, the support grew slowly. After many years those same rational people were using better information and rationally changing their vote. But people started getting "internet mad" about the fact that he wasn't gaining support faster from these dumbasses. But that's why the process isn't universally one-and-done: it's built to give time for everything to be considered, and reconsidered. The process isn't built for efficiency.
There are 268 players in the HoF. Only 58 were elected on their first ballot. Voters, at one point or another, "got it wrong" for most players in the HoF. And yet, when we look at the players in there, for the most part the process got it right.
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