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Wednesday, November 15, 2023

Why MLB offseason desperately needs a pitch clock, too

Baseball saved its season with a pitch clock. Now it needs to apply that concept to the sleepy offseason.

Free agency started last week, but you’d never know it. Whereas the NBA and NFL kick off player movement with feeding frenzies requiring blanket coverage, baseball is content to poke its head out the door in a bathrobe before pulling the shades and crawling back into bed.

Given the excitement generated by deadlines that now exist between every pitch, it shouldn’t take a visionary to recognize the winter needs a similar boost. Former Red Sox president Dave Dombrowski has long advocated for an offseason signing deadline, and perhaps this winter will finally spur MLB to action, because we’re looking at potentially even less action than usual….

A deadline could change that, compressing three months of waiting into one month of excitement. Rather than start free agency five days after the World Series, baseball could take a page from the NFL and NBA and spend the month or so leading into the winter meetings as a build-up before firing the starting pistol. Otherwise, we’re just left with hurry up and wait, a concept the game has finally, belatedly legislated out of existence.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2023 at 10:32 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Buck Coats Posted: November 15, 2023 at 11:05 AM (#6147261)
Every now and then people say this, and it never makes any sense to me. Who does this help?
   2. Stevey Posted: November 15, 2023 at 11:18 AM (#6147263)
baseball could take a page from the NFL and NBA and spend the month or so leading into the winter meetings as a build-up before firing the starting pistol.


That's not the real difference. In the NBA and NFL, a salary cap puts pressure on the player to sign quicker. If the Knicks and Celtics are bidding for a player, and that player holds out to get more money, if the two teams make other moves in the meantime, those will eat up the cap space, leaving less for that player. In MLB, while the Yankees and Red Sox may set some kind of upper budget, there is no hard cap limiting what they can bid on a player, giving the player the leverage now to drive up his price.
   3. DL from MN Posted: November 15, 2023 at 11:59 AM (#6147268)
How much is media willing to pay MLB to improve their news cycle? They made the changes to the pitch clock to get more viewers and better ad rates. MLB doesn't get paid directly for their offseason sports news generation. If ESPN wants to pay for an official free agent signing day event then I can see MLB changing their schedule.
   4. Jay Seaver Posted: November 15, 2023 at 12:12 PM (#6147269)
I can't imagine anybody cares about this other than sportswriters, and as soon as it were to happen, those same people would call MLB foolish for doing so once all this frenzied activity was outshouted by regular-season NFL talk on sports radio.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 15, 2023 at 12:48 PM (#6147274)

Every now and then people say this, and it never makes any sense to me. Who does this help?


Well it helps the sport generate excitement, but the real thing is it helps owners by putting pressure on players to sign quickly.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 15, 2023 at 12:53 PM (#6147275)
A deadline could change that, compressing three months of waiting into one month of excitement.
That’s not really how math or time work.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: November 15, 2023 at 01:47 PM (#6147279)
Before: We want instant gratification!

After: How come there's no baseball news from Dec until mid-Feb? Baseball is so stupid!!
   8. TJ Posted: November 15, 2023 at 01:59 PM (#6147281)
MLB will institute an off-season pitch clock the second their gambling site partners tell them to...
   9. kcgard2 Posted: November 15, 2023 at 03:55 PM (#6147289)
Because it makes life easier for sportswriters, who are the ones who write these articles. As an alternate point of view, sportswriters should actually praise MLB for not having a condensed offseason, because it allows them to write articles like this every offseason complaining about it - a much easier task for them than actually writing interesting or cogent analysis about free agency.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 15, 2023 at 05:06 PM (#6147294)
Whining by media members worried about a big story breaking while they are on vacation? Not my problem, nor that of MLB.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: November 15, 2023 at 05:09 PM (#6147296)
MLB's offseason "needs" an artificial deadline on anything just as much as September rosters "needed" to be capped at some number less than 40, which is to say not at all.
   12. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 15, 2023 at 05:45 PM (#6147302)
In MLB, while the Yankees and Red Sox may set some kind of upper budget,


The Red Sox spent $183 mil on payroll last year, 13th in the league and just ahead of Colorado. They are nowhere near "upper budget". Now if they want to sign Yamamoto and either Nola or Montgomery, I will be most happy.
   13. Itchy Row Posted: November 15, 2023 at 06:07 PM (#6147304)
At least if MLB did implement this idiotic idea, John Tomase wouldn't be so desperate for something to write about that he has to come up with ideas as idiotic as this one. He'd be free to come up with entirely different idiotic ideas.
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: November 15, 2023 at 06:26 PM (#6147309)
That's not the real difference. In the NBA and NFL, a salary cap puts pressure on the player to sign quicker. If the Knicks and Celtics are bidding for a player, and that player holds out to get more money, if the two teams make other moves in the meantime, those will eat up the cap space, leaving less for that player. In MLB, while the Yankees and Red Sox may set some kind of upper budget, there is no hard cap limiting what they can bid on a player, giving the player the leverage now to drive up his price.

In the NBA, the maximum terms of contract anyone can offer a player are also established by the CBA, so if there's a player who's getting a max in free agency, there's no need to play offers against each other; they're all the same anyway, and the player can just pick the team he wants out of the group.
   15. The Duke Posted: November 15, 2023 at 08:28 PM (#6147317)
Why does baseball have the draft in midseason ? Why not have the draft at end of November and open up free agent signings a couple days after the draft?

The analysis, mock drafts and prospect reports as well as the after action reports would eat up a couple weeks. Then Thanksgiving and then open up signing period (allow teams to talk to agents in November ).
   16. JJ1986 Posted: November 15, 2023 at 08:33 PM (#6147318)
Why does baseball have the draft in midseason ? Why not have the draft at end of November and open up free agent signings a couple days after the draft?
The draft needs to coordinate somewhat with college calendars.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: November 15, 2023 at 09:04 PM (#6147320)
The draft needs to coordinate somewhat with college calendars.


Also high school ones.
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 15, 2023 at 11:11 PM (#6147332)
Why does baseball have the draft in midseason ? Why not have the draft at end of November and open up free agent signings a couple days after the draft?
In addition to coinciding with the end of the college & high school seasons, there is a significant benefit to getting a half-season look at the folks you drafted. Starting everyone off at Minor League Spring Training would be more difficult for both the draftees and teams.
   19. The Duke Posted: November 16, 2023 at 09:52 AM (#6147341)
I thought college seasons were in the spring ?
   20. JJ1986 Posted: November 16, 2023 at 09:55 AM (#6147342)
I thought college seasons were in the spring ?
But college teams need to have rosters set at the beginning of the school year. They can't lost players (drafted from either high school or college) in November and then replace them.
   21. SandyRiver Posted: November 16, 2023 at 10:16 AM (#6147344)
The MLB draft is inherently less dramatic than that of the NFL and NBA. High draft picks for those two are expected to make an impact on the upcoming season while with very few exceptions, MLB's high-drafted players will be several years before making the bigs, much less making an impact there.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: November 16, 2023 at 02:13 PM (#6147367)
In addition to timing with regard to college/HS seasons (which has been the case since the start of the draft), you also have the pragmatic contract reasons of signing the HS kids before they enrol in college, especially any 2-sport guys before they start playing football. You can't expect HS kids to sit around 5 months waiting for a baseball draft and you don't want college kids sitting around 5 months waiting for a draft.

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