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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Saturday, July 30, 2022Will Clark, Greg Maddux and the lip-reading that (allegedly) changed baseballSub required.
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Posted: July 30, 2022 at 09:26 AM | 16 comment(s)
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1. winnipegwhip Posted: July 30, 2022 at 09:46 AM (#6088973)The Giants were probably the better team, but the better team doesn't always win a short series as I'm sure we all know.
Sure obviously an unknown future based on a what if is,well, unknown but a)they were losing that game before the GS, b)didn't score another run, and c)lost the series in 5 games. The evidence points heavily towards the Cubs had very little chance to win that series and preventing that GS would have done very little to change the outcome of the series.
But McCoy is right. Sure, we can play butterfly wings all day long but the Cubs got beaten pretty easily, swept in SF, gave up 19 runs in the next 4 games. In his next start, Maddux gave up 4 in 3.1 IP. And seeing as how Will Clark hit 650/682/1200 that series, I don't think knowing that one pitch was gonna be a fastball in was that big of a deal for him. (I mean holy crap, 13 for 20 with 6 XBH.) Grace almost matched him though at 647/682/1118 with 11-17 with 5 XBH. 52 R combined in 5 games, not a lot of great pitching in that series.
He'd touch "94" occasionally on some friendly guns but he basically topped out at 92 and basically threw in the 89 to 91 mph range as a Cub.
Source? That's not consistent with my recollection or everything I can find on the internet (eg: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/19173/raising-aces-the-good-old-days-greg-maddux/) which say he worked 91-93 mph in his early years. May not sound like much now, but that was fast for a starter! That was where Jack Morris and Mike Scott sat too.
He didn't add the cutter until the mid-90s and by then he clearly has lost the ability to touch the 90s.
Tom Seaver in 1995 said he threw 70% fastballs that were mostly in the 82 to 86 range (slow gun though). What made it work was movement and that his delivery provided no clue as to target. He also noted that his strikeout pitch was his circle change.
I think the scout said he consistently threw in the 86-89 mph range.
Maddux talked about his high school years when he was with the Braves. He said he threw harder than he did in high school and that virtually everyone does. He also said that in high school he was throwing 4 seam fastballs but that at some point after high school he realized he wasn't going to be a flame thrower and he switched to the 2 seam and relied on location, movement, and differing speeds.
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