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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Monday, January 09, 2012Wyers: Suspicious Minds
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Posted: January 09, 2012 at 11:42 AM | 31 comment(s)
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1. Ray (CTL)Really? Martinez is the one you would have picked as the likely steroid user? the guy who's career ended relatively early? I don't see how anyone could not think Jeter is one of the 50 most likely roiders in baseball.
He retired at the age of 41, after being an elite hitter at the age of 40. How did his career end relatively early?
haven't you heard? If you keep getting hurt, it means you're using steroids. If you never get hurt, it means you're using steroids.
I don't know what the actual number would be, but it would be the same for Jeter as it would for Martinez.
The same evidence suggests that Larkin and Jeter, since they were/are great baseball players, are more likely to be steroid users than people who weren't good at baseball.
Nothing about Derek Jeter -- nothing at all -- suggests that he would refrain from gaining the competitive advantage of 'roids because of some commitment to doing the "right" thing.
A likely scenario is that, over a decade ago, he heard that A-Rod and Nomar were 'roiding and, to keep up, he 'roided. Hell, he could have been the first of the three in.
Grow up, people. Jesus.
how on earth would an emotional freeze-out of A-Rod by ANYONE be "silly"?
The silly part would be being "friends" with a centaur-wannabe in the first place
You don't get it, he dove into the stands man, HE DOVE INTO THE FREAKING STANDS!!!
Explain this.
ugh, no, not again
You mean the "clear" wasn't so named because it clears up bacne?
Ages 33-39 are pre-K for a Highlander.
Here you go.
uh, that's why he linked to a thread which included the whole shakedown theory...
I just don't understand his position.
I don't know what his underlying point is either. I understand that he thinks that, if you think PED use is relevant (which he doesn't), then you might as well follow through on it and decide for yourself whether someone used them, as opposed to just singling out those who failed tests or confessed. But I don't get what the Edgar/Jeter comparison is adding to the conversation, and Neyer seems strangely reluctant to just come out and say whatever it is he's trying to get at with it.
If one feels like Bagwell and Edgar are more likely to have used than Jeter, that is apparently reason enough to suspect them even with no actual evidence. If Rob were actually keeping an open mind, he would try and analyze why he suspects Bagwell and Edgar and then determine if that suspicion is based on anything.
In the comments, Neyer agrees with the statement that "[there's] harder evidence against Bagwell, Larkin, and Martinez that [people] haven’t heard about." So it appears that Neyer's going with the lame "I have evidence/hearsay/whatever that they used, but I can't/won't share it with you" ploy.
I find it odd that he writes "there is exactly as much reason to suspect Edgar of steroid use as Bagwell". It's possible that Edgar used, but Bagwell's got more circumstantial stuff, namely the gym owner/manager who was bragging about being Bagwell's steroid dealer. I wouldn't count that much against Bagwell, but on a hypothetical 1 - 10 steroid meter I'd give him a point or two above Edgar for that.
.17/.11=54.5% increase
.38/.31=22.5% increase
Is he a pro athlete?
Yes: Probably
No: Probably not
Why would a robot need to take steroids?
[pulls wife aside: "Hey, hon, let's torment little Sissy and pretend we got her the wrong thing. She'll cry, everyone will laugh at her, it'll be great!"]
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