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Yankees GM Brian Cashman defends his decision to not sign Manny Machado | SNY

Clearly Hal Steinbrenner is not as obsessed with winning as his father, but it’s true that developments such as luxury-tax penalties, revenue-sharing, and capped spending on amateur talent via the draft and the international market all have made it more difficult for the Yankees to flex their financial muscle.

“Those days are gone,” Cashman said. “The system now is completely different from what The Boss had free reign on, and most of the preventative measures are because of George Steinbrenner and the New York Yankees. The game now rewards—and reward might not be the right word—but it rewards losing. It drags teams that are struggling back up into the winning environment, and penalizes teams that have been winning by pushing them back.

“We’re real proud that we haven’t been dragged down yet. We’re doing as many counter-measures to that as we possibly can. But you can’t have every great player. We’re still spending a ton of money.”

Cashman went on to defend the state of the Yankees’ farm system and the ongoing effort to develop home-grown players, and when the questions finally stopped, he said, “I haven’t talked this long in a long time.”

Bottom line, he clearly felt it was important to defend the decision not to sign Machado. And while he made some legitimate points, two of his words are sure to be remembered most if the Yankees don’t win big in 2019.

“Judge me,” Cashman said.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 23, 2019 at 03:05 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: February 23, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5817644)
I suspect this thread would have a dozen or so posts by now if YR hadn't be disappeared.
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: February 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5817646)
“Judge me,” Cashman said.

I see what he did there
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 23, 2019 at 11:02 PM (#5817649)
As a fan who is asked to pay $500 to take my father and my two nephews to a game, color me unimpressed.

Why should we care about the team if they don't?
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 24, 2019 at 12:38 AM (#5817657)
I cry rivers for you, Cash. Rivers.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 01:32 AM (#5817659)
But you can’t have every great player.

False!
   6. Tony S Posted: February 24, 2019 at 08:49 AM (#5817664)
The Yankees won 100 games last year and are bursting with young talent. They have good players at third and at short. I think they'll survive not having Manny Machado.

I thought the Dallas Cowboys had the most entitled fans in pro sports, but Yankee fans are close.
   7. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 11:36 AM (#5817678)
I suspect this thread would have a dozen or so posts by now if YR hadn't be disappeared.


What happened?
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 11:42 AM (#5817679)
They have good players at third and at short.

Except they actually don't. Gregorius is out at least half the season, and likely more, and Andujar was the worst defensive 3B in the league, and it wasn't close.

   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5817683)
What happened?

YR got the Ban Hammer as part of the OTP thread closing.
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 24, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5817685)
I assumed it was because he was openly racist to Blastin. Don't know if it was a monthlong suspension or the full ban hammer, but I doubt anyone misses him.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5817689)
I assumed it was because he was openly racist to Blastin.

That on top of a long history of racism and other bigotry.
   12. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: February 24, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5817714)
Kind of astonishing that it took this long.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: February 24, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5817724)
YR got the Ban Hammer as part of the OTP thread closing.


I think that was Sam who was part of the OTP thread. YR's sentencing was a little after that in just a generic thread.

You can access Sam's profile, though he hasn't been around since December. YR's is still off limits, so he might have gotten the full Base treatment.

   14. Lassus Posted: February 25, 2019 at 07:48 AM (#5817794)
Maybe he should change his name to Peter Alonso.
   15. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:38 AM (#5817797)
Gregorius is out at least half the season, and likely more, and Andujar was the worst defensive 3B in the league, and it wasn't close.


Andujar was still good though. There is a pretty strong case to be made that a 23 year old coming off a 126 OPS+ and 2.5 WAR season is someone to build around. I'll admit to being a bit skeptical of Andujar due to the defense and plate discipline concerns (there's a Will Middlebrooks vibe there) but I don't think that decision is unreasonable.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 08:55 AM (#5817804)
Andujar was still good though. There is a pretty strong case to be made that a 23 year old coming off a 126 OPS+ and 2.5 WAR season is someone to build around. I'll admit to being a bit skeptical of Andujar due to the defense and plate discipline concerns (there's a Will Middlebrooks vibe there) but I don't think that decision is unreasonable.

I think he's a good hitter, but his future is 1B or LF or DH. He's not a playable 3B. The Yankees had openings in 1B and LF this off-season. They could easily have signed Machado and still had an every day job for Andujar.
   17. BrianBrianson Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5817810)
The Yankees won 100 games last year, lost no one, and aren't exactly all that old. It should be pretty believable they don't need to sign anyone in particular.
   18. Nasty Nate Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5817819)
If the Yankees signed Machado, would their fans consider the team an unlikable band of mercenaries? Or does that only happen retroactively if they lose to Boston?
   19. Blastin Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:51 AM (#5817822)
I don't like how they chose to spend money this offseason, but they didn't end up being cheap. I'm excited for the year.
   20. jmurph Posted: February 25, 2019 at 10:07 AM (#5817827)
I thought the Dallas Cowboys had the most entitled fans in pro sports, but Yankee fans are close.

Is this a thing? They haven't been to a Super Bowl if over 20 years.
   21. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 25, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5817834)
"Manchester United: Super rich, everybody either loves them or hates them."

"Dallas Cowboys."

"Liverpool: Used to be great, haven't won a title in a really long time."

(nodding) "Also Dallas Cowboys."
   22. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5817882)
Andujar was still good though. There is a pretty strong case to be made that a 23 year old coming off a 126 OPS+ and 2.5 WAR season is someone to build around. I'll admit to being a bit skeptical of Andujar due to the defense and plate discipline concerns (there's a Will Middlebrooks vibe there) but I don't think that decision is unreasonable.

Andujar's fielding reminded me of a latterday Hector Lopez, and he didn't walk nearly enough, but his strikeout rate was better than any other starter besides Gregorius, and he was an extra base machine. I only wish that some of that productivity can rub off on Sanchez and Bird.
   23. Ithaca2323 Posted: February 25, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5817883)
I'm with Snapper on Andujar, at least for now.

There's a difference between being a poor fielder, and being unplayable in the biggest game of the season because of your fielding. And 23 unintentional walks in 600 PAs isn't great either.

The Yankees will be good. Signing Machado would have made them better
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5818067)
If the Yankees signed Machado, would their fans consider the team an unlikable band of mercenaries? Or does that only happen retroactively if they lose to Boston?

Signing a 26 y.o. for 10 years is pretty much the opposite of bringing in an overpaid rotating cast of geriatic has beens.
   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 25, 2019 at 05:37 PM (#5818077)
I think he's a good hitter, but his future is 1B or LF or DH. He's not a playable 3B.

Assuming a 23-year old with only 1 season at the MLB level can't improve defensively seems like a rush to judgment.
   26. . . . . . . Posted: February 25, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5818099)
And 23 unintentional walks in 600 PAs isn't great either.


Whoa now. sure, the walk rate was too low but he also has excellent contact skills which is predictive of ability to improve patience. Any 23 year old who can hit with that kind of pop with under 100Ks in a full MLB season is a top-tier offensive prospect whose bat has a good chance to stick at any position.

As for the D, the scuttlebutt out of the Yankee camp is positive and the kid seems coachable. Willingness to work at it is half the battle when it comes to defense. I think it's perfectly reasonable to give him another year to see if he can stick at 3rd (at least for the first few seasons of his career) and I wouldn't have signed Machado to block him. Plenty of fish in the sea and Machado doesn't create surplus value as a $30M a year FA.

   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 07:22 PM (#5818108)
Assuming a 23-year old with only 1 season at the MLB level can't improve defensively seems like a rush to judgment.

Defense declines pretty much continually from arrival in the bigs, and Andujar's been playing 3B professionally since he was 17. It's not like he's learning a new position. If he didn't figure it out in 500+ milB games, I doubt he will.
   28. Esoteric Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5818143)
I haven't been around nearly as much as in ye olden days, but still it's weird to find out that old stalwarts like YR got banned (why exactly? who else went with him?) or that the OT:P thread has been shut down (this, I think, was a good idea...though I'm curious as to what sort of ridiculousness could finally rise to the level of pulling the trigger).

Truth be told, BBTF was never quite the same after that one terrible year when the hosting service crashed and locked everyone out for the first month of the baseball season. I think it was 2013 maybe.
   29. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 25, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5818144)
I don't think there's any cause to hope Andujar's glove will meaningfully improve. But the bat plays real nice at third base, if he can stay there. My bigger worry would be that struggling to play third base may start to affect his hitting.

But he may be the new Bobby Bonilla: you keep wedging his bat into the lineup at third base, enabling even more glove-challenged players to play first base and left field and DH, until either his glove falls apart or his bat starts to suffer. If he can battle third base to something resembling a draw and keep raking, that has value. Hell, the Yankees won championships with one of the worst defensive shortstops in the league. A great bat can more than carry a bad glove, even at a premium position. But a player who can keep raking for years while wrestling with a position that's more than he can really handle, that's pretty rare. It's usually safer to move him to a position he can play capably (unless he's David Ortiz and he can't play any position capably.)
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 25, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5818146)
but still it's weird to find out that old stalwarts like YR got banned (why exactly?

Repeated racism and bigotry.

who else went with him?)

Sam H was suspended, but hasn't chosen to return.

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