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Sunday, September 16, 2007

Yankee’s Prank Strikes Out - BostonHerald.com

Shelley Duncan for President (not of that silly fan club… for the actual job).

Griffin Whitman, a 10-year-old Red Sox [team stats] fan from Swampscott, was excited to attend his first Yankees vs. Red Sox game Friday night. The young autograph -collector was even more thrilled to score Yankees outfielder Shelley Duncan’s signature before the game. That is, until Griffin read the message from the 27-year-old rookie: “Red Sox suck! Shelley Duncan.”

[snip]

Griffin’s mother, Karen, blasted the Yankees slugger’s bad manners.

“This is someone who wears the Yankee uniform and is on the payroll and should be setting an example for 10-year-olds,” she said.

Like Ralphie, I’m guessing young Griffin (?) heard that terrible word for the first time at his father’s knee… example setting begins at home.

Hat tip to River Ave. Blues.

 

Sean McNally Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:29 PM | 157 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. aleskel Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2527284)
Shelley Duncan is a true hero

The only way this could have been better is if the message was: "I'm sometimes embarrassed to be called Shelley, but at least I'm not called Griffin"
   2. BDC Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2527286)
should be setting an example for 10-year-olds

Who spend all their spare time saying that things suck, IIRC.
   3. Sean McNally Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:46 PM (#2527293)
Who spend all their spare time <strike>saying</strike> texting that things suck, IIRC.

Fixed.
   4. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2527299)
Oh come on. Taunting a ten-year-old is stupid and jackassed.
   5. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:54 PM (#2527304)
Oh come on. Taunting a ten-year-old is stupid and jackassed.


Yeah, that sucks.

Best Regards

John
   6. Sean McNally Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:55 PM (#2527306)
Chances said 10 year old, upon coming up to a classmate with the blue interlocking NY on his hat would taunt him with "Yankees suck." Eleventy-billion percent... and that's only because I can't find the infinity key.
   7. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2527315)
Oh come on, that's funny.
   8. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: September 16, 2007 at 08:58 PM (#2527317)
and that's only because I can't find the infinity key.


It's right beside the "ANY" key.

Best Regards

John
   9. aleskel Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:00 PM (#2527323)
It's right beside the "ANY" key.

now where's my tab?
   10. Rich Rifkin I Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:01 PM (#2527324)
Fred Groh, who runs Quincy Sports Collectibles, expressed outrage at Mr. Duncan's stunt.

“I'm a small businessman. I'm just trying to make a living, put food on the table for my family,” Mr. Groh said. “I pay good money to my autograph collectors. Some people think I'm exploiting 10-year-olds like Mr. Whitman. But that is really not the case. I offered Whitman 75 cents for a legitimate Shelley Duncan signature and he comes back with this ####?! I mean, who the #### in New England is going to buy a ball signed 'Red Sox suck! Shelley Duncan.?' I don't blame his old lady for being pissed off. What an assbite that Duncan character is.”
I blame Fred.
   11. Sean McNally Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2527325)
Biff, should you choose to run for the presidency your pay-per-entry-fan-club-for-grownups.... I will endorse your candidacy.
   12. JoeHova Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:04 PM (#2527328)
That's pretty funny, why would someone be offended? The shirts that some people wear to those games are much more offensive than that.

Also, the kid would probably think it was pretty cool that Duncan didn't just sign his name and actually wrote something mildly subversive.
   13. Dr Love Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:05 PM (#2527331)
That kid is already an uber geek. He's a fan of the team stats and he's only ten.
   14. Mister High Standards Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:06 PM (#2527332)
What a douche. With that said, if signed a ball for an adult that way it would have been fine. Heck, I'd buy one, and I'm a sox fan.
   15. Guapo Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:11 PM (#2527342)
Ah, Red Sox fans... finding new things to complain about every day.
   16. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:12 PM (#2527344)
It could've been worse, he could've signed it: "Thank your mother for last night but don't tell your dad."

Best Regards

John
   17. McCoy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2527346)
Didn't read the article but if he went to Fenway I'm guessing he is white and his parents are at the very least upper-middle class. Which means this kid was probably decked out in about $400 worth of Red Sox gear and then he went up to a Yankee and asked for his autograph. Duncan gave it to him and threw in a joke. Oh well I guess the world is gonna end. Some poor white rich kid got a ball from a millionaire (generalization there don't go posting his salary) that states that his favorite team sucks. Oh golly gee I guess mommy and daddy are going to have it to fix by buying this kid a Mercedes when he turns 16.
   18. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:14 PM (#2527347)
Of course, it isn't mentioned how the kid approached Duncan -- if he came up to Duncan wearing a "Yankees Suck" t-shirt, dressed up in full Red Sox attire, just after heckling every Yankee player he could find, that might explain a few things.
   19. Sean McNally Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:14 PM (#2527348)
It could've been worse, he could've signed it: "Thank your mother for last night but don't tell your dad."

Best Regards

John


That would have gotten him his own stone in Monument Park.
   20. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:20 PM (#2527352)
If you asked him to, Ozzie Guillen would probably write that the White Sox suck. Jay Mariotti would be offended.
   21. JC in DC Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:20 PM (#2527353)
I was at the UMD v. WVA college football game last Thursday, in College Park, MD. THere were lots of WVA fans, and some of the woman (co-eds) were wearing West ####### Virginia shirts. The shirts are navy blue with West ####### Virginia emblazoned in yellow. The notion that "Red Sox suck" is offensive left the boathouse at least a decade ago. The kid, when he's older, will love the ball (if he doesn't already).
   22. Answer Guy. Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:23 PM (#2527355)
I was at the UMD v. WVA college football game last Thursday, in College Park, MD. THere were lots of WVA fans, and some of the woman (co-eds) were wearing West ####### Virginia shirts. The shirts are navy blue with West ####### Virginia emblazoned in yellow.

Did the Maryland fans at least chant "Indoor Plumbing! [clap clap clap-clap-clap]"
   23. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:26 PM (#2527358)
Look, it's not fair to generalize--I've been to Fenway Park! Even fairly poor people can manage to go there once a year if it means that much to them; $80 for two seats or so isn't that much if it's the big splurge thing of the entire year. That's in addition to the fact that, as a poor white person I feel the need to pipe up as often as possible about the folly of lumping race with economic status as an assumed package deal (and no, I'm not a typical "poor" graduate student whose wealthy parents are living two hours away).

But that's clouding the issue anyway. It's worse if the kid has less money? Better if he has more? Human interaction shouldn't be based on that. I don't give students worse grades for being rich. Is a Yankees player supposed to like the Red Sox?
   24. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:30 PM (#2527363)
The obscene thing about that football game is that some classes had to be canceled because of it--because professors weren't allowed to park on campus! Maryland seems to be nothing but a football team with a supposed "research university" (my ass--don't decrease the library budget, then, if you're going to claim to be a "research university") attached as an atrophied appendage.
   25. Answer Guy. Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:33 PM (#2527365)
Maryland seems to be nothing but a football team with a supposed "research university" (my ass--don't decrease the library budget, then, if you're going to claim to be a "research university") attached as an atrophied appendage.

You're forgetting about the basketball team. :)
   26. BDC Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:37 PM (#2527368)
some classes had to be canceled because of it--because professors weren't allowed to park on campus

This happens at a number of campuses -- Notre Dame, TCU, for instance. It's somewhat bizarre. I mean, the whole reason that Saturday is football day is that you don't interfere with classes. But now that the NCAA seems to think that there has to be a football game on every *&$%$#@ night of the week, classes are interfering with football. (Of course, people have been saying "classes are interfering with football" since Pudge Heffelfinger's day. It may be a line in Horse Feathers.)
   27. Answer Guy. Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:39 PM (#2527370)
Look, it's not fair to generalize--I've been to Fenway Park! Even fairly poor people can manage to go there once a year if it means that much to them; $80 for two seats or so isn't that much if it's the big splurge thing of the entire year.

They live in Swampscott and bought 3 tickets to a Yankees game in 2007 in September.

But you're right - it's clouding the issue.

Which is....I bet that autograph is worth a lot more now and will continue to be long after most people have no clue who Shelly Duncan is. It would be even more hilarious (possibly even more valuable) if Duncan ever ended up being a Red Sock.
   28. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:40 PM (#2527372)
That would have gotten him his own stone in Monument Park.


Nah, he would need more creativity like: "Tell your mother her teeth hurt--and I'm healing nicely."

Best Regards

John
   29. BDC Posted: September 16, 2007 at 09:44 PM (#2527375)
no clue who Shelly Duncan is

I can't remember whether that was Diane on Cheers or the one who played Peter Pan.
   30. Pirate Joe Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:16 PM (#2527390)
But now that the NCAA seems to think that there has to be a football game on every *&$%$#@ night of the week, classes are interfering with football.


The NCAA has nothing to do with that. The NCAA doesn't make the schedules for any of the schools. When ESPN goes to the individual schools (generally with the help of the people in the offices at the conference the school belongs to) and offers them money to play on a Wednesday or Thursday or Friday, the NCAA has no say in whether or not the schools say yes. And at this time there is no mechanism in place for them to forbid schools from playing those nights, and there never will be since the schools love the money those games bring in.

In short, there are plently of things for which the NCAA deserves blame. This is not one of them.
   31. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:16 PM (#2527391)
I can't remember whether that was Diane on Cheers or the one who played Peter Pan.


Funny, but I wasn't sure if it was the actor/comedian with the bad toupee or the guy who played John Coffey in The Green Mile.
   32. Lassus Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:29 PM (#2527400)
Oh please - really? I mean REALLY you guys think that this is actually just a hilarious thing to do to a 10-year-old and to be upset is WHINING? Like, seriously?

That is..... sad.

For a 16-year-old? Yeah, hilarious.

Really, the reactions here are just.... -shudder- I need a shower.
   33. BDC Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:31 PM (#2527403)
the NCAA has no say in whether or not the schools say yes. And at this time there is no mechanism in place for them to forbid schools from playing those nights

I stand corrected, but: the body that could put such a mechanism in place is surely the NCAA. They have a host of extremely specific rules for when and where and who and how many practices and games can occur in each season. By omission, perhaps, but by very deliberate omission, they don't regulate what days of the week you can play football.
   34. McCoy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:39 PM (#2527409)
For me and the rich kid it doesn't really cloud the issue. This issue will probably be the "toughest" moment he has as a pre-adult (unless of course he has a Less Than Zero moment) and to top it all off he gets famous for him. Somehow I don't feel like shedding a tear for some rich white kid who gets famous because some baseball player writes Red Sox suck on a piece of paper. Am I expected to actually expend some sort of emotional energy over this? Maybe if there was some sort of Sam Kenison moment where Duncan writes something like "don't you wish this was a sandwich?" and then hands it to a starving Ethiopian I can see getting angry. But this? Come on.
   35. Dr Love Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:43 PM (#2527418)

I stand corrected, but: the body that could put such a mechanism in place is surely the NCAA. They have a host of extremely specific rules for when and where and who and how many practices and games can occur in each season. By omission, perhaps, but by very deliberate omission, they don't regulate what days of the week you can play football.


If they did, they'd be losing out on the money that they would get from these games, along with the universities. The NCAA isn't going to change weeknight games.
   36. Dr. Vaux Posted: September 16, 2007 at 10:45 PM (#2527421)
Of course I see where you're coming from on this, but I wouldn't shed a tear over it if he were poor or rich. First of all, it's not that important anyway, second of all, Duncan's a 27 year-old jock--what sort of behavior should we expect from him?--third of all, yes, complaining about this to the press is something his parents did, and they did it to get attention from the media. If this was my kid, I'd chuckle and tell him that he'd think it was damn funny in a few years. But in the end, if someone wants to feel bad for the kid, that's fine; I don't think I or anyone here is saying you shouldn't.
   37. Lassus Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:06 PM (#2527432)
Yeah, that's a good point, Vaux, I admit, and I didn't even read the rich or poor thing - but I do think that people here and everywhere find this kind of behavior HILARIOUS and that feeing bad IS lame.

Even so, I'm guessing when Youkilis does this to McCoy's kid, he laughs it up, right? Uh-HUH ;-) Don't even talk to me about the Ethiopian thing. That's inapplicable. Are you going to tell that to some kid you kick in the face? "You're lucky you're not starving." That's awful logic.

It was a jerky thing to do. Being defended. That seems to be it.
   38. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:16 PM (#2527436)
Won't somebody please think of the children?!

Come on. If you have any sense of humor at all, this is funny.
   39. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:17 PM (#2527437)
Who's Sam Kenison and what did he do?
   40. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:23 PM (#2527441)
It was a jerky thing to do. Being defended. That seems to be it.


It was a jerky thing to do if Duncan was actually trying to hurt the kids feelings, which I intuitively doubt because it seems more like a "Heh I play for the Yankees and you're a little kid all dressed in Sox stuff but I'll give you an autograph anyway" kinda joke.

And, second, I'd seriously question a kid whose feelings were really hurt because, essentially, a Yankee insulted the Red Sox. (It's not like he said anything about the kid. He didn't write "You suck." He wrote "Red Sox suck.")
   41. McCoy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:34 PM (#2527444)
Well actually I would laugh if I was a Yankee fan and my kid had this happen to him by Youkilis. He didn't punch the kid, he didn't call my kid names, and he didn't attack my kid. So why should I be outraged? I should be outraged because my perfect kid with his perfect life didn't have everybody fawning over him? What Duncan did was a joke in my family it would get a good laugh around the Christmas table.

Hell I remember meeting a bunch of Phillies pitchers and recieving flack from them because I had a Cubs hat on. It is all part of being a fan. Fans (and I guess players) of other teams give you junk about it. It isn't the end of world and it doesn't need to be fretted over.
   42. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:37 PM (#2527446)
There's no way in the world that Duncan meant that as anything other than a joke, a joke which he assumed that the kid would love. What Duncan wrote was about as risque as one of the old Bob Hope cracks about Bing Crosby's golf game.

And maybe I don't remember what it was like being a kid. But I think I do, and I know that if I'd gotten a signed baseball with "Red Sox suck" on it, every parent in the neighborhood would have been up in arms, and every kid in the neighborhood would have been trying to steal it from me. It would have been almost as talked about as the time in the seventh grade when Bruce Peterson taped a used rubber onto the outside of a girl's school locker with a note attached reading "You're next!"

Some things transcend the whole question of taste. The kid will survive.
   43. McCoy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:39 PM (#2527447)
Young little kids tend to be awkward and clumsy. They tend to fall down a lot and do embarrassing things. When they fall down they usually look up to their parent first to see what the parents reaction is first before deciding on their own reaction. If a child sees his mom or dad worried and fretting over the fall they usually start to cry. IF their mom or dad play it off or ignore the fall the kid usually doesn't cry. Granted I'm only talking about falls in which the kid isn't hurt merely embarrassed. Cracking your head open while falling down the stairs I fully expect to cause a crying reaction.

The same thing happens in these situations. Something happens to the kid and he/she sees her parents freaking out about it and making it a big deal and so usually it then becomes a big deal to the kid. If the mom has simply laughed it off, this would merely be a funny story. Hell the kid in the story doesn't seem to think it is a big deal, the mom seems to be the one freaking out about it.

It reminds me of the Romney story where all the adults were freaking out about it and it appears the kid had made peace with it and had moved on.
   44. Rough Carrigan Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:49 PM (#2527456)
What kind of kid who's supposedly a Red Sox fan asks a yankee scrub for his autograph anyway?
   45. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:50 PM (#2527458)
Young little kids tend to be awkward and clumsy. They tend to fall down a lot and do embarrassing things. When they fall down they usually look up to their parent first to see what the parents reaction is first before deciding on their own reaction. If a child sees his mom or dad worried and fretting over the fall they usually start to cry.

We don't have kids of our own, but my wife and I have a five year old goddaughter that we saw almost every day between when she was two and four. She's incredibly graceful and athletic, and almost as soon as she learned to walk she wanted to run, and I mean run full speed.

One day when she was barely two, I fast walked her from my book shop down to the bike path and when we got there, I acted like a greyhound track pacing rabbit while she ran to keep up. And as you (McCoy) could have guessed, her shoelace came loose and she went WHAM!---flat on her face.

And I have no idea why I did this, but instead of consoling her, I picked up up immediately and started tickling her and laughing. And damned if she didn't start giggling herself. Never shed a tear, not one.
   46. Lassus Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:52 PM (#2527459)
All good points.

I agree the kid's parents are the ones who are the trouble here more than Duncan.

Kids are both stronger and weaker than adults. It's not that big a deal, despite all my bleating. I'm feeling a little bit of the protector of the weak today. I probably over-reacted. MAYBE. lol

It would have bummed ME out when I was 10. ;-)
   47. McCoy Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:53 PM (#2527461)
My aunt and uncle whenever one of their kids falls immediately act like a home plate umpire and yell out safe complete with the squatting and sweeping arms gesture. Works practically every time.
   48. The District Attorney Posted: September 16, 2007 at 11:54 PM (#2527462)
I can't find the infinity key.
   49. Answer Guy. Posted: September 17, 2007 at 12:11 AM (#2527487)
Really, the reactions here are just.... -shudder- I need a shower.

If it helps you, the reactions from the people at the _Boston Herald_ site are much more along the lines of "Won't someone think of the children?!"
   50. Dan The Mediocre is one of "the rest" Posted: September 17, 2007 at 12:40 AM (#2527572)
If I were the parent, I would have gone to the press about this. I would have said "He wrote "Red Sox Suck!" when they're 4 and a half games ahead of his team? How dumb is he?"
   51. J. Michael Neal Posted: September 17, 2007 at 12:46 AM (#2527587)
I was at the UMD v. WVA college football game last Thursday, in College Park, MD.

I understand why college football powerhouses schedule games against creampuffs, but why would West Virginia play Minnesota-Duluth anywhere in Maryland? One would think that if they were going to sell their souls to the TV networks for money, they'd at least schedule the game at home.

And make no mistake, they are selling their souls. Blaming the conferences is simply punting the responsibility upstairs. The conferences don't force their member schools to do anything. The member schools tell the conference what to do. If the ACC schools didn't want Thursday night games, then the Atlantic Coast Conference wouldn't schedule Thursday night games. As for the "they need the money" argument, cry me a river. At most universities, that money stays in the athletic department. The university as a whole doesn't benefit at all.
   52. Handle's Messiah Posted: September 17, 2007 at 12:48 AM (#2527593)
Dave Duncan should have his children taken away.
   53. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:04 AM (#2527639)
Is this a big deal? No.
Is Duncan a horrible monster? No.
If this happened to my son, would I be kinda pissed? Yes.
   54. JC in DC Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:08 AM (#2527645)
Anyone ever seen ET? Anyone have a sense how many kids saw ET? Anyone remember what the one kid calls the other kid (clue: "penis breath")? Dropped right in the middle of the feel-good movie of the year. Kids handled it. Kids can handle "sucks."
   55. McCoy Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:37 AM (#2527695)
cum-gargler?
   56. Lassus Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:55 AM (#2527732)
Yeaargh said what I wanted to, but about a trillion times better.

As far as 49 and 53 go, please read 46.
   57. Russ Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:22 AM (#2527813)

cum-gargler?



penis breath


The BTF cybernanny is gonna get to the office with a pretty long to-do list on her desk tomorrow morning.
   58. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:56 AM (#2527918)
I'm with Yearrggh. While I'm sure young Griffin has both heard and said worse, it would be kind of a nice change of pace to see 27-year-old men stop acting like 10-year-old boys.
   59. Darren Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:25 AM (#2528042)
This just seems like a non-issue of the highest degree. I thought it was kind of funny and the 10-year-olds I know would probably get the joke, which is pretty simple: 'I'm a Yankee and you're a Red Sox fan, so I'm going to say 'Red Sox suck.'" Usually I come down on the overly protective side too.
   60. Jeff K. Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:43 AM (#2528065)
Oh please - really? I mean REALLY you guys think that this is actually just a hilarious thing to do to a 10-year-old and to be upset is WHINING? Like, seriously?

Yep. I remember my mom being upset that I knew the word "sucks" (actually, I said, correctly, that "The Braves suck", which was true in 1984.) But I was 5, and it was a completely different time. This kid has seen internet porn almost to a guarantee. This kid has said the F word without a doubt. There is no loss of innocence here, and you can bemoan that, but it's true. Besides, if he hadn't ever heard the word, the exact wrong thing to do is to scream about how bad the word is, because now he knows it's "bad".
   61. aleskel Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:47 AM (#2528074)
This kid has seen internet porn almost to a guarantee. This kid has said the F word without a doubt.

cum-gargler?

penis breath


Jeez, I just hope he's not a primate
   62. Jeff K. Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:48 AM (#2528076)
It would have been almost as talked about as the time in the seventh grade when Bruce Peterson taped a used rubber onto the outside of a girl's school locker with a note attached reading "You're next!"

I thought you were old enough that rubbers weren't even used when you were young. That whole Willie Nelson bit in Half Baked and all.

(Realizes there's little chance Andy has seen that movie)
Willie Nelson: I'm old enough to remember when a nickel bag cost a nickel.
Dave Chappelle: Oh, yeah?
WN: Yeah. And you know how much rubbers cost then?
DC: No.
WN: Me neither. We didn't use them!
   63. Darren Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:58 AM (#2528093)
Just wanted to chime in and say that as kid, I would have been very annoyed by the "safe call" reaction to my falling down and getting hurt. Same with "Uh oh. Somebody get my saw, we're going to have to cut it off." Always seemed callous and like a bit of an insult that grownups thought I could so easily be manipulated. Especially since grownups tend to carry on when they get hurt. No hilarious safe signs for them, just a string of curse words.
   64. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:00 AM (#2528096)
I thought you were old enough that rubbers weren't even used when you were young.

IIRC our seventh grade cafeteria poem went something like this:

In days of old,
When knights were bold,
And rubbers weren't invented,
They tied a sock
Around their c*ck
And babies were prevented


Of course a bit later the best bit was a Lou Myers cartoon in The Realist that showed Alabama Governor Wallace getting a sudden phone call from Chairman Mao, who tells him that "500 million Chinese" are "coming to Amelica" to "sklew your white girls." "We going swim the ocean one by one....and we no wear Tlojans, Guvna, so you bletta watch out!"
   65. Jeff K. Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:05 AM (#2528100)
Of course a bit later the best bit was a Lou Myers cartoon in The Realist that showed Alabama Governor Wallace getting a sudden phone call from Chairman Mao, who tells him that "500 million Chinese" are "coming to Amelica" to "sklew your white girls." "We going swim the ocean one by one....and we no wear Tlojans, Guvna, so you bletta watch out!"

So you're old enough that condoms were a reality, but over-the-top racism was acceptable. You're probably right about as old as my father would be, plus a couple of years (adjustment for North/South.)
   66. McCoy Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:10 AM (#2528105)
Just wanted to chime in and say that as kid, I would have been very annoyed by the "safe call" reaction to my falling down and getting hurt. Same with "Uh oh. Somebody get my saw, we're going to have to cut it off." Always seemed callous and like a bit of an insult that grownups thought I could so easily be manipulated. Especially since grownups tend to carry on when they get hurt. No hilarious safe signs for them, just a string of curse words.

Well unless you were the genius baby you were easily manipulated.
   67. OCF Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:14 AM (#2528107)
I'm probably Andy's age, plus or minus five years. And as for "In days of old," I remember that clearly - within two or three minor words of the exact same wording. Junior high school, as Andy said. And the odds are we grew up a thousand miles apart. These things traveled, even with no internet.
   68. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:15 AM (#2528108)
Of course a bit later the best bit was a Lou Myers cartoon in The Realist that showed Alabama Governor Wallace getting a sudden phone call from Chairman Mao, who tells him that "500 million Chinese" are "coming to Amelica" to "sklew your white girls." "We going swim the ocean one by one....and we no wear Tlojans, Guvna, so you bletta watch out!"

So you're old enough that condoms were a reality, but over-the-top racism was acceptable. You're probably right about as old as my father would be, plus a couple of years (adjustment for North/South.)


Well, condoms have been a reality for a lot longer than you apparently realize. My parents got married in 1931 and I came along in 1944. And since they weren't Catholic I doubt if they were using the rhythm method.

As for the Lou Myers cartoon, I hope I don't have to point out to you that it was a parody of George Wallace's paranoid thoughts about race-mixing and communism, and nothing else.
   69. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:19 AM (#2528111)
I'm probably Andy's age, plus or minus five years. And as for "In days of old," I remember that clearly - within two or three minor words of the exact same wording. Junior high school, as Andy said. And the odds are we grew up a thousand miles apart. These things traveled, even with no internet.

Yeah, and I'm sure you also remember those tin cans and strings we had that stretched from DC to California. Everyone (well, maybe not the bornagains) I knew in college had heard every single elementary school dirty joke, no matter what part of the country they came from. And I'm sure that there were variants of these jokes being told in medieval Russia.
   70. base ball chick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:22 AM (#2528114)
what do you call couples who use the rhythm method?

parents

and condoms have been around for a LONG time. they used to be made out of intestine skin
   71. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:25 AM (#2528116)
MCoy - is that a bad parody, or just a off-his-meds poster?

I'm stumped.
   72. McCoy Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:32 AM (#2528121)
which post?
   73. Jeff K. Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:35 AM (#2528126)
Well, condoms have been a reality for a lot longer than you apparently realize. My parents got married in 1931 and I came along in 1944. And since they weren't Catholic I doubt if they were using the rhythm method.

Well, I know they were around for a long time, but I didn't know they were around to the point that a 7th grader in 1957 could get his hands on a used one.

As for the Lou Myers cartoon, I hope I don't have to point out to you that it was a parody of George Wallace's paranoid thoughts about race-mixing and communism, and nothing else.

Ah, I missed the George Wallace part, though to be honest, I have no concept of his stance on "race-mixing and communism", only race-mixing.
   74. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:40 AM (#2528129)
Why do you need condoms, if the Red Sox suck?
   75. McCoy Posted: September 17, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2528130)
Was there any politician who was for communism in the 50's?
   76. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 17, 2007 at 06:29 AM (#2528166)
Its funny and the kid should e-bay it now, it'd worth something.
   77. kthejoker Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:02 PM (#2528237)
If I were Shelley Duncan, I'd be pissed that this little anecdote didn't get shelved for the book.
   78. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:04 PM (#2528241)
Avoid the clap,

Jimmy Dugan
   79. bunyon Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:15 PM (#2528257)
Its funny and the kid should e-bay it now, it'd worth something.

Indeed. Of course, to drive up demand, the mom had to go to the media with this. Seriously, the mom is nuts if she thinks this "harmed" her boy, but Duncan is still an asshat. MLB players should be nice to 10 year olds, end of story. The person (or persons) who should be angry about this is Steinbrenner and the Yankee business. Yankee players saying, "Red Sox suck" is funny, saying it to 10 year olds will piss a lot of people - including Yankee fans - off.

Oh, and Andy is so old he used rubbers made of wood.
   80. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2528267)
Oh, and Andy is so old he used rubbers made of wood.

And I'm still picking out all the splinters. Those suckers were brutal, especially in an unheated Volkswagen.
   81. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:51 PM (#2528289)
Oh, and Andy is so old he used rubbers made of wood.

Just like George Washington???
   82. villageidiom Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:51 PM (#2528290)
Whether we think it's funny is irrelevant. We were not the intended audience for this. Some random 10-year-old Red Sox fan, looking for an autograph from an actual MLB player, was the audience.

I can't imagine how anyone could be so sure a 10-year-old kid is going to be able to see the humor behind it and laugh it off, to the point of excusing it being written. Yeah, in the coming days that kid's gonna be popular at school, and everyone's gonna want to see the ball; but does anyone really think that was going through Duncan's head when he wrote it? Come on. Besides, that kind of rationalization could be used to defend Billy Beane taking a dump in the kid's hat. (Of course the cool kids at school would want to know if it's true that it doesn't work in the playoffs.)

Duncan likely wrote it to amuse himself. And if acting to mess with the emotions of a 10-year-old is the kind of thing that amuses him, he's pretty shallow. It's one of those things that's funny on a theoretical level but plainly not an idea worth acting on.
   83. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:54 PM (#2528293)
To a certain extent, this is a generational thing. Saying that something "sucks" was a much bigger deal 30 years ago. (Same with some other terms, like "scumbag", which apparently used to be slang for a condom. I had no idea.)

I think it was both funny AND rude for Duncan to do that, and I think the joke would've gone over a lot better if he'd pulled it on an older kid.
   84. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:54 PM (#2528294)
Billy Beane should never have taken that dump.
   85. The Original SJ Posted: September 17, 2007 at 01:55 PM (#2528296)
See, if he signed it "Dustin Pedroia Sucks"

that would have been funny
   86. NJ in NJ Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:03 PM (#2528306)
Maybe I just grew up very differently, but when I was 10 (11 years ago), everyone was saying #### and #### and all the other words the nanny likes to censor. I feel the chance that this kid is affected in any way by this as .000001%...and if he is, well, it's going to be a long life. Personally, I'm curious as to how the parents felt comfortable bringing him to a Red Sox game where "(whoever is batting for the Yankees) Sucks!" would be chanted over and over and there might even be the occasional WWE style "Aaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssshooooooooooooollllee!!!" chant.
   87. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:03 PM (#2528307)
To a certain extent, this is a generational thing. Saying that something "sucks" was a much bigger deal 30 years ago.

But trust me, it really wasn't, at least not for the ten year olds themselves. And you can make that 50 years ago, and probably a lot longer than that. Playground kids and street kids have always--ALWAYS--been foul mouthed. At least the boys, and in lots of neighborhoods the girls, too.

The ONLY difference is that words like this are now used more openly outside peer groups, and in the media. In that, it's like night and day between now and 50 years ago. But that's a completely different issue.
   88. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:05 PM (#2528308)
Maybe I just grew up very differently, but when I was 10 (11 years ago), everyone was saying #### and #### and all the other words the nanny likes to censor.

Furtado would have made a great Saturday Evening Post editor back in the Norman Rockwell era. Not that I particularly mind his current nannyisms---it keeps my asterisking in stroke for all those Bonds threads.
   89. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:12 PM (#2528316)
Maybe I just grew up very differently, but when I was 10 (11 years ago), everyone was saying #### and #### and all the other words the nanny likes to censor. I feel the chance that this kid is affected in any way by this as .000001%...and if he is, well, it's going to be a long life.

I don't disagree -- I can't imagine that this will harm the kid in any way -- but the fact the kid has probably heard and used the word (and much worse) 1,000,000+ times already doesn't mean that it wasn't a rude thing for Duncan to do. Nor does it mean that the mother is wrong for getting upset. (what if the kid already has a filthy mouth and the mother is trying to get him to use less profanity. Duncan's comment isn't going to help her case.) The fact that Duncan acted like a 10 year old doesn't make the behavior more acceptable.

But I agree with Vlad -- it was funny and rude.
   90. Paul D(uda) Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:12 PM (#2528317)
I don't think this is a big deal, but why put "Shelley Duncan - Yankees Rule! ;)" or something like that? No controversy then.
   91. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:20 PM (#2528328)
I doubt any of the folks complaining here would be doing so had Kevin Youkilis added a Yankees Suck addendum to his autograph for a kid in Yankee gear at the Stadium. If this is a problem, folks must also want the Red Sox to start throwing a lot of folks out of Fenway for saying or displaying messages that are in much more questionable taste.
   92. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: September 17, 2007 at 02:27 PM (#2528334)
I doubt any of the folks complaining here would be doing so had Kevin Youkilis added a Yankees Suck addendum to his autograph for a kid in Yankee gear at the Stadium.

Doesn't that cut both ways?
   93. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:09 PM (#2528381)
Doesn't that cut both ways?

Wasn't that his point?

I was in the left field boxes at Camden Yards with my son and nephew on a cold April evening several years ago. The Yankees were cuffing the O's around pretty good, and some college kids a couple rows back of us tried to start up a "Yankees suck" chant. My son, maybe seven at the time, stood up, turned around, stared right at them and said, "Then why do they kick your butts all the time?" I'm sitting there trying to decide whether to laugh or hush him, but the next thing I knew, the guys were buying me a beer and cokes for the kids.
   94. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:10 PM (#2528384)
What is a Red Sox fan doing asking for an autograph from a Yankee? Where is the father to set an example for his kid to hate the Yankees? I blame the parents on this one.
   95. PreservedFish Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:27 PM (#2528412)
I haven't read any of the discussion, and for all I know it's now totally off topic. But I think that Shelley Duncan is awesome for this.
   96. McCoy Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:28 PM (#2528415)
I don't disagree -- I can't imagine that this will harm the kid in any way -- but the fact the kid has probably heard and used the word (and much worse) 1,000,000+ times already doesn't mean that it wasn't a rude thing for Duncan to do. Nor does it mean that the mother is wrong for getting upset. (what if the kid already has a filthy mouth and the mother is trying to get him to use less profanity. Duncan's comment isn't going to help her case.) The fact that Duncan acted like a 10 year old doesn't make the behavior more acceptable.

And why should Duncan care what the mother is trying to do with her son? If you are a parent and you thrust your kid upon strangers and demand that strangers be role models for their kids then that kid is going to suffer some bumps and bruises at the very least along the way.
   97. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:39 PM (#2528426)
The greatest autograph of all time: "Avoid the clap. Jimmy Dugan."
   98. SoSH U at work Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:42 PM (#2528430)
I doubt any of the folks complaining here would be doing so had Kevin Youkilis added a Yankees Suck addendum to his autograph for a kid in Yankee gear at the Stadium.


Rats, you caught me. If Kevin Youkilis wrote "Yankees suck" on a ball he autographed for a 10-year-old Yankee fan, it would seriously elevate his stature in my eyes. There's nothing that impresses me more than a guy in his late 20s who has the maturity level of my son's fifth-grade classmates.
   99. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:44 PM (#2528432)
There's nothing that impresses me more than a guy in his late 20s who has the maturity level of my son's fifth-grade classmates.

Is there any particular reason for us to expect more from the average major league baseball player? Not hope for, but realistically expect. Seriously.
   100. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 17, 2007 at 03:56 PM (#2528451)
The greatest autograph of all time: "Avoid the clap. Jimmy Dugan."

That's good advice!
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