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Friday, February 28, 2020

Yasiel Puig is still a free agent

Around this time last year, the ink was drying on Manny Machado‘s 10-year, $300 million contract with the Padres and Bryce Harper was about to put the finishing touches on his 13-year, $330 million deal with the Phillies. We had gotten used to premier free agents hanging out in limbo until late February and even into March. This past offseason, however, was a return to normal. The top three free agents — Gerrit Cole, Anthony Rendon, and Stephen Strasburg — all signed in December. Once the big names are off the board, the lesser free agents subsequently tend to find homes. There were a handful of noteworthy signings in January, but pretty much everyone was off the board when February began.

There are a handful of free agents remaining as I write this, with one name really sticking out: Yasiel Puig. Last season, between the Reds and Indians, Puig hit .267/.327/.458 with 24 home runs, 84 RBI, 76 runs scored, and 19 stolen bases in 611 plate appearances. He was one of only seven players in the league last year to hit at least 24 home runs and swipe at least 19 bases. While Puig has had some problems over the years, he still possesses a rare blend of power and speed that would seem useful.

But is he living in Paris?

 

QLE Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:52 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Itchy Row Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:23 AM (#5927029)
He was one of only seven players in the league last year to hit at least 24 home runs and swipe at least 19 bases.
Because everybody wants to know the other members of this elite group.
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:35 AM (#5927044)
@billjamesonline

There is a REASON why no one is in any hurry to sign Yasiel Puig. People who want to pretend that there isn't are just being deliberately obtuse.


What?
   3. Esoteric Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5927047)
James is presumably referring to his character and make-up issues.
   4. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:41 AM (#5927052)
WAR

2015: 1.1
2016: 1.3
2017: 3.8
2018: 2.7
2019: 1.4
2020 projections: 1.4 to 1.8

So, do you want deal with the headaches and cost of Puig in order to get a 1.5 WAR player?

   5. I Am Not a Number Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:42 AM (#5927053)
He was one of only seven players in the league last year to hit at least 24 home runs and swipe at least 19 bases.

This is weak. Arbitrarily set minimum thresholds where your guy barely qualifies. Then include him with all players who exceed those thresholds, sometimes by a lot, and pretend they are all part of a similar group.

Puig has the (seemingly deserved) reputation of being high maintenance. It's one thing if that comes with 4-5 WAR, another thing entirely if it doesn't. I imagine that was what Bill James was referring to.
   6. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:49 AM (#5927057)
This is weak. Arbitrarily set minimum thresholds where your guy barely qualifies. Then include him with all players who exceed those thresholds, sometimes by a lot, and pretend they are all part of a similar group.

Yes, these things are silly because it generates a list where, by its own terms, the benchmark player is the worst one of the group.
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 28, 2020 at 10:54 AM (#5927061)
I'd much prefer to see Puig on the Rockies rather than Ian Desmond.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5927064)
But Ian Desmond is one of only X players to have two 20-20 seasons since 2016!
   9. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5927065)
I would love to see splits based on weather. I sat in the bleachers at Puig's first home game in Cincinnati last year. It was bitterly cold, and I don't think I've ever seen someone so miserable in the outfield. Maybe it's coincidental or it was just bad luck, but he got off to a rotten start last year.
   10. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5927066)
.267/.327/.458 isn’t worth dealing with Puig’s attitude. I can’t see how that is any kind of a mystery. It’s borderline whether he’s even worth a regular spot on a decent team, and a bad team should be playing younger guys and definitely won’t want Puig in their clubhouse.
   11. Ron J Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:21 AM (#5927072)
#5 the tipoff that it's an unusually contrived groupof is the 19 SB. Why 19? It's not a common boundary condition. (20-20 is a common boundary condition)

It's also a career best for him making the boundary condition slightly more problematic.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:30 AM (#5927075)
There are a couple of other free agents out there who I'm surprised haven't signed. Russell Martin was reportedly drawing interest yesterday. Addison Russell hasn't been good, but he'd probably have a job if he were a better person. Maybe he can play in Japan, although I think the NPB teams usually sign slugging types. Scooter Gennett has been good recently. Collin McHugh has been good recently; he must be injured. Aaron Sanchez and Danny Salazar are always injured. And Matt Harvey is still out there.
   13. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5927076)
There are a couple of other free agents out there who I'm surprised haven't signed. Russell Martin was reportedly drawing interest yesterday. Addison Russell hasn't been good, but he'd probably have a job if he were a better person. Maybe he can play in Japan, although I think the NPB teams usually sign slugging types. Scooter Gennett has been good recently. Collin McHugh has been good recently; he must be injured. Aaron Sanchez and Danny Salazar are always injured. And Matt Harvey is still out there.


And Mike Crudale.
   14. jmurph Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:34 AM (#5927077)
I would not be opposed to the Red Sox taking a shot at him for the right price, though I suspect the Boston media would not be the ideal match for Puig. He was decent enough in 2017 and 18.
   15. bbmck Posted: February 28, 2020 at 11:44 AM (#5927078)
Since Happy Felsch got banned after 5.5 posWAR at Age 28, final season of 1+ posWAR at Age 28:

2.8 - Milt Byrnes, traded to Yankees and demoted to minors after the war
2.6 - Cass Michaels, career ended by HBP that nearly killed him
2.4 - Salvador Perez, still under contract and expected to play this year
2.0 - Augie Bergamo, demoted to minors with Stan Musial and Harry Walker returning from the war
1.9 - Randy Johnson, .547 OPS in AAA at Age 29, does play well in AAA and Japan Age 30-32

1.7 - Troy Neel, goes to Japan during 1994-95 work stoppage
1.7 - Pete Kilduff, demoted to minors when Andy High is promoted but it seems that Ray Schmandt a 67 OPS+ 1B should have been sent down at some point and call up Kilduff
1.6 - Ron Theobald, 43 games and .571 OPS in AAA at Age 29 and done so probably an injury led to retirement
1.3 - Bill Sarni, part of Red Schoendienst for Al Dark trade during his final season, heart attack during next spring training ends his career
1.2 - Joe Garagiola, intended to retire after 0.1 WAR at Age 27 but the Cubs offer him a raise to $16000 and delay his media career by a year
1.1 - Joe Foy, sabr bio mentions alcohol and drug problems, 1.1 WAR in 41 games hitting 234/363/297 and released while managed by Ted Williams who knew the value of a walk
   16. Lassus Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:00 PM (#5927085)
He's fun. I'd take him on the Mets. I mean, not my money or clubhouse, but from my living room I think it would work.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:09 PM (#5927094)
Russell Martin was reportedly drawing interest yesterday.


From what I read, Martin has had offers and is waiting to sign until he resolves some kind of family situation.

Addison Russell hasn't been good, but he'd probably have a job if he were a better person. Maybe he can play in Japan, although I think the NPB teams usually sign slugging types.


Russell is going to end up in the Mexican League. Bank on it.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:10 PM (#5927096)
1.7 - Troy Neel, goes to Japan during 1994-95 work stoppage
Talk about burying the lede! Neel went to Japan to avoid paying child support in the U.S., and went on to be called the worst deadbeat dad in the history of Texas.
   19. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5927097)
Russell Martin was reportedly drawing interest yesterday.


Meanwhile, the Rockies are considering Drew Butera as their backup catcher.
   20. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 28, 2020 at 12:30 PM (#5927108)
Meanwhile, the Rockies are considering Drew Butera as their backup catcher.


Yeah, and the Pirates could use him too, but why would he settle for either of those when he (reportedly) has offers from actual playoff contenders?
   21. DanG Posted: February 28, 2020 at 01:01 PM (#5927112)
He was one of only seven players in the league last year to hit at least 24 home runs and swipe at least 19 bases
Puig's feat was the 317th time a player has achieved the fabled 24-19 club! The immortal Buck Freeman was the first, in 1899. Only six of those 317 players had fewer bWAR than Puig's 1.3.
   22. Ron J Posted: February 28, 2020 at 01:05 PM (#5927114)
#18 Did not know this. Thanks. This finally explains a career arc that didn't make much sense to me.
   23. Karl from NY Posted: February 28, 2020 at 02:18 PM (#5927125)
from Wiki:
Called "the worst dead beat dad in 'the history of Texas'",[3] he owed over $725,000 in child support


What the hell kind of child costs $725,000 to support? Was he raising Eric Trump?
   24. Itchy Row Posted: February 28, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5927131)
Puig is only the second member of the exactly 24/19 club, so signing him now is exactly like signing Derek Jeter before the 2000 season.
   25. Khrushin it bro Posted: February 28, 2020 at 02:50 PM (#5927135)
A guy I play softball with is a huge Dodger fan. He went to a playoff game and pregamed at a bowling alley near Dodger stadium. Puig was there with somebody (his agent? handler?) and had a cocktail. Some sort of fruity mai tai or something like that. My buddy says isn't that Puig? The agent came over and asked them not to post anything on social media. They asked for a picture with him and got it, at first there was going to be the bar in the background until the agent switched the angle. This was an hour or two before the game, Puig had a walkoff hit to win the game.
   26. Itchy Row Posted: February 28, 2020 at 02:59 PM (#5927139)
A ramen restaurant near my place in LA has a large mural with their version of scenes around LA. The painting includes Puig drinking alone at a bar.

Edit: Found a picture of part of the mural. Puig is in the lower right, next to the Buddha picnic. That version of his pregame warm-up is healthier than Kershaw's, warming up in front of the cannon that shoots people into Dodger Stadium.
   27. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: February 28, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5927141)
What the hell kind of child costs $725,000 to support? Was he raising Eric Trump?

He was ordered to pay $5k a month to his former wife to cover child care expenses of his two children with her. $60k a year doesn't seem insane for a MLB player.

Then he fled the country and spent a decade avoiding the United States. The annual $60k piled up, and fines were thrown on top of it.

   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 28, 2020 at 03:04 PM (#5927144)
What the hell kind of child costs $725,000 to support?
In Texas, things like guns and trucks are mandatory for child support.
   29. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 28, 2020 at 03:17 PM (#5927149)
Troy Neel didn't just flee the country to play in Japan, after he retired he bought an island in Vanuatu to live on. So he probably had $725,000.

BTF thread from when he was arrested in 2008
   30. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: February 28, 2020 at 03:41 PM (#5927154)
From one of your posts in that thread:

His specific island is called Erakor...I remember someone wrote a whole poem that started out with "In Erakor did DH Troy Neel a stately pleasure dome decree".


Hot damn, that's funny.
   31. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 28, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5927171)
[quote The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: December 12, 2008 at 09:31 PM (#3027888)
Well, if you're going to live the high life, it might as well be Vanuatu.]

He really shouldn't have been advertising a competing brand.
   32. Zach Posted: February 28, 2020 at 08:05 PM (#5927205)
There were some really great threads in the days before registration. Lost in time, like text on the internet.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: February 29, 2020 at 01:22 AM (#5927225)
I enjoy looking up the old threads to see if I posted something really stupid (in this case, none of the above).

I stumbled into being the first voter in the first HOM voting thread of "1898" - which happened in 2003 - and I also recall following a months-long navel-gaze here about how to do the process (which I think turned out extremely well - nits as always appreciated).

I still haven't missed an HOM ballot. I think there are 4 of us left - like the 'every Super Bowl' writers who lost Jerry Izenberg this year (spoiler alert: he's still alive), or Col. Potter's old World War I tonteen group in M*A*S*H.....

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