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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Thursday, May 19, 2022Zach Davies’ estranged wife says MLB pitcher ghosted her for a year
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Posted: May 19, 2022 at 11:01 AM | 66 comment(s)
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1. gef the talking mongoose, peppery hostile Posted: May 19, 2022 at 12:59 PM (#6077474)QUIT STEALING MY MOVES!!
"I'm in room 322. Can you also bring your friend from the bar?"
Well, not quite. They were married 5-6 years, it's not really a lifetime.
Too true, and this really isn't THAT bitter.
I've been divorced(and I know some of the other guys here have also), I also know a few other people that have been divorced and this is pretty tame stuff. Sometimes ghosting is the best way to avoid the inevitable conflict. I know it's painful, but confronting the ex partner with anger all the time is really stressful and from what I've experienced, it's best just let the legal guys sort it out and avoid the angry confrontations that happen so frequently in these situations.
She's angry and that's understandable, but trying to take the high moral ground whereby you want him to "be accountable" is just p*ssing into the wind. Now she's gone public with it...and it just comes off as much worse for both of them.
L8r
That's not what the quote says, though. She "built a life with [him]", which is what should happen when you marry someone. And ideally, as the relationship is being built, it should be under the assumption that it will last a lifetime. It's impossible to know what really happened here, but if what she says is true, that's horrible on Davies' part and she has every right to be bitter. Hopefully she can get the closure she needs, and while it's awful that it had to come to a public Instagram post, maybe it's the only way to get through to him.
Truly. He merely unfriended her on Facebook? What sort of perverted mind has that as their takeaway from this story?
There are no DV complaints here. The rest of it is not my business and certainly not my place to make ANY judgment about either of them
she's married to a professional athlete who has made an estimated 20 million in his career so far.
if that's the only angle she can think of...
not that i care, well... that line hit me. she had other options
If true, he took an incredible shitty way out (or, the honorable way, per Hugh) of their relationship and, frustrated, she took to her social media feed to vent to what she probably assumed was a limited circle of acquaintances and it was picked up and amplified.
Zach before ghosting: 50-36, 3.79 ERA, 1.28 WHIP
Zach after ghosting: 8-14, 5.48 ERA, 1.53 WHIP
Oops...
Bollocks, don't misquote me. I never suggested it was honourable. I merely suggested it might have been the more sane path for both of them as opposed to angry confrontations every time they spoke.
We don't know what has transpired, and if you'd actually read my post, you would have noticed I said she's angry and that's understandable, however venting on social media is not a good path to take for anyone.
deleted the rest, couldn't be bothered.....
Sound advice, you should have followed the first time.
As to the actual facts, she filed for divorce. If there's a bunch of money involved, which there almost certainly is given his high salaries and continued earning power, he'll show up in divorce court and she'll see him there.(**) Or he'll decide not to contest the divorce and work out something amicably, and that should be her "closure."
In a broader sense it is -- family breakups and even divorces in toto have wider social and cultural impact -- but not really as to any particular couple, no. It's also the society's and the culture's business if there's a trend wherein people have such empty immediate means of emotional support of actual people that they feel the need instead to seek the validation of strangers on the internet. Obviously the cultural triumph of these absurd social media outlets is everyone's business.
Let's not pretend it's only the NY Post that uses Twitter/Instagram as fodder for content. The "major outlets" also do.
(*) As far as she or any of us know, he's mourning the collapse of the marriage, too, and that's the way he's doing it. His inner thoughts on the matter are the quintessential "nobody else's business."
(**) Or, more likely, already has since it's looks like it's been about a year.
(*) Or, if not entirely "strangers," simulacra.
Yes, that's it. SoSH U at work, Misirlou and tshipman are definitely going to score more chicks because of this.
Do you even stop to read the nonsense you post?
I assume the fact that there is no mention of kids suggests they didn't. If they did this story's tone changes pretty substantially. Right now if we assume her story is true (and it rings true) then he's a bit of a coward but whatever. If however they have kids that changes things dramatically. At that point he's got an obligation, not to stay married certainly, but to remain in contact with the mother and co-parent in some form.
Oh, it's absolutely it. Whether it's "it" to every single person doing it is a different story, but in toto, as to Internet Guy writ large, it's absolutely, positively it.(*)
You guys went on the internet to "defend" a woman you've never met who was allegedly "ghosted" by a man you've never met. You know literally nothing about either of these people or their time together as a couple. And then proceeded to insist that the reactions of other men to the tribulations of these strangers was somehow "gross."
Who's being nonsensical, again?
(*) Pre-internet, to the extent the convo went beyond the families/friend of the protagonists, it might have been gossip amongst the townfolk at the local bar or the local American Legion hall and people would have offered up their opinions and thoughts face-to-face, with some degree of natural accountability. People like Shipman never would have the courage to butt into the conversations there and offer his opinion on the conversations' "tone." Or if he had, he would have been ignored or told to get lost -- if not taken outside. The context of socializing and socialization took care of it, but unfortunately we don't have those things on the internet. The things that are kind of like that, "likes" and the "ignore" feature, are not really that.
Oh, it's you. That's the default setting here. Ask anybody.
But I'll try it out the next time I'm at the club.
Me: Hey ladies, I'm SoSH U at work. I'm sure you've heard of me.
Women shake head, demonstrating various looks of revulsion.
Me: No, none of you? SoSH U - defender of the fairer sex on the online. That doesn't ring a bell? Dammit, SugarBear insisted this was a surefire way to impress the ladies.
(*) And deep down knowing this, that ilk has unfortunately been provided with an empowering mechanism of compensation by the internet and gravitated to it.
You mean the representative sample that is Baseball Think Factory?
I said the opposite of it was a "surefire way to impress the ladies." It's a way that certain ilk thinks will impress the ladies -- but it actually doesn't.(*) Thus the unmissable sarcastic tone in 26 wherein it was said. Perhaps this misunderstanding explains your somewhat dyspeptic reaction to the obviously true proposition that (straight) men try to impress women.(**)
(*) As with all generally true observations there are of course exceptions.
(**) And eliminate potential competition for women. No better way to do that than to rip on other men and their "badness."
Beaten to it by #12.
I'm also agreeing the thread is pretty gross. I mean, even without the regular, standard bent thread attendees.
I get this, but there is a level of fame and public figure Q score involved here. People care about athletes as news and always have.
Reading through to the end, this thread is an amazing SBB primer/abstract.
The general public typically didn't care about the mechanics of the breakups of athletes' relationships and in fact don't care about them now. Don't confuse the relatively few people on the social media cesspools and sports message boards for the general public. It's a tiny subset.
And no one here really "cares" about this one, either. It's titillating gossip and a chance to score internet "points" (which you in fact appear to be taking full advantage of).
OK.
Sure.
If you say so.
You surely know best.
Or, you know, this story, which is about a rather insignificant baseball player from Arizona but appears in the New York Post.
That I'll cop to.
You know why you "respond," I know why you do it, we all know why you do it, and it's a positive virtue that you do do it. The urge to then "apologize" or demur to the stalkers when there's nothing whatever to apologize or give a second thought to is one of those bizarre internet things much like I kind of hit on above. It would never happen at the legion hall or the local bar or the golf course or at a ballgame or any other normal place. Exactly the opposite would happen.
In a way, you're probably a better person than I for trying harder to follow internet norms and mores -- but they're still really, really stupid.
Yes, in the internet age. The discussion was about the pre-internet age. (Lassus's rather ... cough ... stretched comparison of wife swapping and ghosting notwithstanding.)
Sugar Bear, 9:12 a.m.: The general public typically didn't care about the mechanics of the breakups of athletes' relationships and in fact don't care about them now.
Apparently, as is true of most of the ever-dwindling number of Primates, even you have you on ignore. Good thinking.
Don't confuse the relatively few people on the social media cesspools and sports message boards for the general public. It's a tiny subset.
And no one here really "cares" about this one, either. It's titillating gossip and a chance to score internet "points" (which you in fact appear to be taking full advantage of).
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as is true of most of the ever-dwindling number of Primates
The vast majority of "dropouts" are people who weren't competitive in the marketplace of ideas and adult discussion, or otherwise didn't have the makeup to participate therein. There are some of those still left, and a couple have unsurprisingly popped up here.
The first opening day I ever attended, a local radio station handed out masks of Margo Adams to taunt Wade Boggs.
The careful reader will also note that picking some random thing that in no way relates to his point and claiming it "proves the point" is part of the shtick that would get him beaten.
do dumpees ever get closure? especially from someone who obviously wants NOTHING more to do with them? LOTS of people do their best to close off some toxic relation from their memory. for all we know he done already dealt with counselor/therapist. for all we know they been telling him to just get AWAY from this person
going on soc med like this is not exactly gonna get him back. it is just her trying to get as much revenge/money as she can. besides they don't give you more $$$ in court if there has been adultery. judges go by the book and split halvsies. at least they do here. unless there was a prenup and not real too many people with assets smart enough to do that with first marriage
Post-truth nonsense response. Baseball players personal lives and marriage status has been national news for almost 100 years, far pre-internet, hence the cites. Your ear-plugging foot-stomping notwithstanding.
"Baseball player doesn't speak to ex-wife for a year after breakup" wouldn't have been national news in the heyday of Teddy Ballgame, even if it was T.Bg himself doing the ghosting. "Ted Williams Marriage to End" or something like that right around the time of the split, maybe. Probably.
Show us on your Trevor Bauer blow-up doll where MLB hurt you.
"Caliber". Christ, what adolescent petulance in the face of error.
You need more national newspaper clippings? Or will you ignore those, too?
I admit, I didn’t know who Zach Davies was before this thread. Looks like he’s an average-ish 29-y.o. SP who spent most of his career in Milwaukee.
I will stick by my “not newsworthy” declaration.
And the worse part was Al it was all a pre-tense. She was living with her cousin in Fort Wane. Every body knew this Al. She just wanted her Name in the Peppers and even at that she got 2 Colon Inches in the Kokomo Weekly Shopper. Some times you can't win for losing Al though my old pal Ozzie Guillen always said, you must not say winner and loser Keefe, you must say "Sometimes you can't participate for participating."
sigh
as to people not caring about the private life of zach davies and other non-supaSTAH!! player -
from roger angell's 1980 article on bob gibson - talking about athletes, not just bob-
and i would say that athletes pretty much all feel these days that they HAVE to provide fans a twitter feed/instagram. in mah not so Umble Opinyin, to "control The Narrative" as barry lamar bonds said back in aught something. of course there is no "controlling The Narrative" because these days even without nasty sports writers like that guy in NYC who hated tom seaver for joining the Wrong Country CLub (and he was White and not Jewish, too, imagine that), the Narrative control You
and The Narrative is written by Fans instead of the All Powahful Sportswriters who BITGOD created all the personas of athletes they wanted to pull up or push down
But you would have to have a sense of humor.
Coming to a baseball message board and pontificating to a gaggle of fellow-traveling white pasties doesn't "call out" jack ####.
(*) For the slow afoot, the quotes around this term are meant to denote "not misogynist at all."
And not to wade into 'back in the day' discussion but talking to my dad about Zach he immediately brought up other Brewer history like Gorman Thomas divorce being news in Milwaukee and per SABR bio that divorce happened in 1987 well after THomas retired from MLB. So have to think that others are accurate that sports people get a lot of attention when their personal lives get messy even if they were not 'star' players.
The thing that pushed Seaver over the edge and made him ask the Mets to trade him was "that guy in NYC" (Dick Young) started criticizing Seaver's wife too. Gee, who would have thought that kind of thing even happened in 1977.
I mean, they were both ex-Brewers who got divorced, but beyond that there’s very little similarity. If Davies got arrested twice and skipped town to avoid jail time, I agree it would be newsworthy.
I have told my "1986 Game 7 World Series ticket" story more than often enough, but I don't think I usually mention whose ticket it was - Dick Young's!
my college buddy grew up across the street from the Youngs, and the parents and the kids were all close. so when my buddy's Dad asked Dick if he could hook his kids up with a couple of ducats, Dick came through (sister couldn't make it a day later after Game 7 was rained out, oh well).
since Young always described Keith Hernandez as a "druggie" due to his earlier cocaine issues in St. Louis, I felt obligated to half-heartedly heckle Keith during the game. seemed like a simple act of gratitude to the host.
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