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Friday, April 26, 2019

Zack Greinke continues to swing hot bat

Diamondbacks pitcher Zack Greinke has long been regarded as a good-hitting pitcher, but he still entered Thursday afternoon’s game against the Pirates with a career .597 OPS. For as good as he is compared to other pitchers, he swings the bat about as well as the worst bench players in the league.

So far this year, though, it’s a different story. Along with a dominating pitching performance in a 5-0 win over the Pirates, Greinke went 1-for-3 with a triple. On the mound, Greinke tossed seven shutout innings, limiting the Pirates to two hits and a walk while striking out seven. He’s now 4-1 with a 3.72 ERA and a 39/7 K/BB ratio in 36 1/3 innings on the year.

A periodic reminder that Harold Baines might be glad there’s such a thing as a designated hitter, but that that’s no reason for the rest of us to agree….

 

QLE Posted: April 26, 2019 at 05:43 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: pitchers hitting, zack greinke

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: April 27, 2019 at 12:17 AM (#5835829)
Saw factoid that, as part of the HR boomlet, the Mets are the first team to have 3 pitcher HRs in April.

NL pitchers have 10 HR so far. The all-time record appears to be 36 set in 1955 (in just 1129 games). Obviously they're way ahead of that pace. Also ahead on HR/PA by about 15%. The more modern record is 32 in 2000.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 27, 2019 at 12:34 AM (#5835832)
[1] “Modern” typically means since 1901 unless otherwise specified, so it’s unclear what you mean by it.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: April 27, 2019 at 03:48 AM (#5835846)
And it's high time we got rid of that usage of "modern" which has no relation to the actual word "modern" at this point. But that's neither here nor there. My meaning should be pretty obvious -- the number of teams and games has a lot to do with the total number of HRs hit in a season. You may have also noticed that there are lots more HRs hit on the whole in the last 25+ years. Those things combine to define a modern (i.e. not 100+ years old) era of pitcher hitting that bears some resemblance to the game of today.

We can further add that since the first total I cited was in 1955 and then I referred to this as the more "modern" record that clearly the English word "modern" is not used in reference to "since 1901" in this context.
   4. John Reynard Posted: April 27, 2019 at 05:13 AM (#5835847)
Modern can have many meanings depending on the specific context. For example in history it generally means from 1789 until the present. Though, some folks are trying to have "modern" end for history at 2001. So, go figure.

In baseball it generally is defined as 1901 to present since the American League launched and what we think of as the "modern" structure with 2 leagues and all began.

The etymology of the word suggests that it is a good comp for "current" since it comes from late latin modernus which comes from classical latin modo which meant something like "just now happened".

I'll agree with Walt's assessment that you always have to read in context. I was unclear what he meant by modern specifically. But, it clearly meant some cut-off that excluded 1955 and started long ago enough to include his record in 2000. 1969 and divisional play was one possibility. It is also possible Walt didn't mean a specific cut-off but simply something like "recent enough even football fans would actually remember it if it happened in their sport".
   5. SoSH U at work Posted: April 27, 2019 at 08:44 AM (#5835850)
I thought it was pretty obvious what Walt meant with the use of modern. In 1955 there were almost half as many teams as there are today, playing eight fewer regular season games. Additionally, the recent game has been even more homer-prone than just about any time in history. Those are huge factors in a league-wide counting stat.

Finally, he described it as the more modern record, not the modern record.

   6. Greg Pope Posted: April 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM (#5835861)
In 1955 there were almost half as many teams as there are today, playing eight fewer regular season games.

But all of the teams had pitchers hitting. In the modern* game only half the teams do. And of course, in the pre-modern** era, I assume pitchers batted more since starters went later into the game.

*Here defined as since 1973.

** Here defined as since some vague time in the last 30 years when pitchers stopped going deep into games.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: April 27, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5835895)
But all of the teams had pitchers hitting.


Good point.

Edit: And, come to think of it, those 8 extra games are, today, almost perfectly gobbled up by the NL teams playing road games in AL parks.

   8. Jose Goes to Absurd Lengths for 50K Posted: April 27, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5835906)
Depending on what I’m looking up my usual searches are;

1901-present
Integration-present
Four divisions-present
Six divisions-present

If I refer to “modern” I’m thinking 1901 to present. As noted, Walt said “more modern” which made it fairly clear what he was saying in my opinion. Also, it’s Walt so let’s applaud the brevity!
   9. akrasian Posted: April 28, 2019 at 01:33 AM (#5836016)
One other cutoff - 1920 to the present. Live ball era. What happened before 1920 was in many ways a different game.
   10. Bote Man Posted: April 28, 2019 at 02:22 AM (#5836019)
If I refer to “modern” I’m thinking about those refrigerators you don't have to de-frost periodically.
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: April 28, 2019 at 08:19 AM (#5836033)
Modern can have many meanings depending on the specific context. For example in history it generally means from 1789 until the present.
"Early modern" history/literature/etc begins a lot earlier than that, after whatever the end point for the Medieval period is in the local context. So at some point in the 15th century in Italy, at some point after 1494 in France, at some point in the 16th century in England, and so on.
   12. Greg Pope Posted: April 28, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5836044)
One other cutoff - 1920 to the present. Live ball era. What happened before 1920 was in many ways a different game.

This is what I think of when I hear the word. From 1901 on was referred to as 20th century when I was younger. Obviously that hasn't applied for the last 19 years though.
   13. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 28, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5836048)
Modern 1901- present
Live Ball 1920-present
Post-WWII 1946-present
Since Integration 1947-present
Expansion 1961-present
Divisional 1969-present
Wild Card 1994-present

And no, Walt was not clear what he meant. The most likely was that he meant the wild card era, but he could have had some other cutoff entirely.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: April 28, 2019 at 10:55 AM (#5836051)
And no, Walt was not clear what he meant.


Yes, he was. That you can't tell the difference between "modern record" and "the more modern record" was on you, not Walt (particularly given the context. Since he'd already mentioned 1955 as the all-time record, it made no sense that the more modern record could possibly date back to the 1900s).

You're a calculus instructor for a reason, Gags.
   15. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 28, 2019 at 11:02 AM (#5836055)
[14] Oh? What was the first “more modern” year? Give an exact year or else the meaning was either unclear or ill defined!
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: April 28, 2019 at 11:08 AM (#5836057)
[14] Oh? What was the first “more modern” year? Give an exact year or else the meaning was either unclear or ill defined!


Stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

   17. PreservedFish Posted: April 28, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5836069)
Walt was only unclear if you have insane standards for clarity.
   18. Sunday silence Posted: April 28, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5836104)
still not clear what year exactly. The best I can make out is "25+" years old which isnt terribly vague but its certainly not an exact year.

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