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Transaction Oracle — A Timely Look at Transactions as They Happen Tuesday, December 06, 2011Marlins - Sign ReyesMiami Marlins sign SS Jose Reyes to a 6 year/ $111 million contract (6 years/ $106 with an option of a 7th year at $22 million or a $5 million buyout) I see several contradictory factors here. First of all, because the Marlins already have Hanley Ramirez under contract one of them loses some of their value. Sure Ramirez could be shifted to center field (the Marlins weakest position last year) or third base ( Dobbs and Bonifacio weren’t bad, but Bonifacio was probably over his head and Dobbs may not be back and isn’t what you’d call a lock to play as well as he did last year in any case), but he’s have to play that position considerably better than he played shortstop to retain the same value. I don’t see that as likely, though I suppose it could happen. Ramirez has considerable physical gifts, but it takes more than those gifts to play a completely new position well. Or they could trade Ramirez. This strikes me as selling low and could easily lead to a deal they’d regret. Given the ups and downs between the Marlins over the years nobody would be surprised if this is the plan, but there’s no way of knowing that you’ll get the price you want for Ramirez when you sign Reyes. The Marlins have to plan around having Ramirez even if they would like to move him. Still the Ramirez factor merely suggests caution. It’s not a deal killer to me. The second cautionary factor is this. Do you think Reyes would have commanded this price at this time last year? I don’t, and that’s something to be wary of. In addition, you can see a narrowing of the talent base. He probably won’t steal 60+ bases again (given his injury history this seems prudent. He can still run if needed) and it seems that his defense isn’t what it was in the past (though he’s not close to being bad and is an upgrade on Ramirez. In other words it’s not a problem, just something to note going forward.) Against these factor, while last year was a career year driven by what was probably a fair amount of luck on balls put in play, the Marlins aren’t paying Reyes to repeat his 2011. Assuming decent health, something on the order of .300/.350/.450 with 40 stolen bases (and a good SB%) and average defense at shortstop (probably a little less than what the Marlins are hoping for) rates to be worth something just over 5 WAR. If they get anything close to that over the balance of the contract it’ll be a steal. Although last year was a career year, there’s nothing that was really surprising about it. More simply, Reyes is an excellent player and these are the guys who have historically been the best buys. I’m not sure it’s the best use of the Marlins’ resources to go for Reyes specifically (but they have a problem in that they have adequate options at pretty much every position except perhaps center field—that’s the toughest type of mediocre team to upgrade), but I am glad to see the Marlins making moves that the casual fan will take note of and see as an attempt to build a winning team. |
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1. Ray (CTL)Reporting it like this, guaranteed money up front with a parenthetical of how it breaks down, makes sense.
This is the main problem I see with the signing from the Marlins' perspective. Though, as you say, it doesn't mean signing him was dumb.
I think trading Ramirez when his value is at a low point would be a disaster. But if I'm other teams (like the Red Sox) I try to find out what they'll sell him for.
Ron: I don't see any reasonable justification for the Mets not trading Reyes last year when they had to know they weren't going to re-sign him at market value. Do you? And the amount of this deal was entirely predictable as market value.
I think (though I can't prove it) that from a public perception point of view losing a stud to free agency is preferable to selling him for prospects -- unless those prospects are of the nature that you can sell to the casual fan.
1. They tried but the offers they got were worth less in their minds than the draft picks. In fairness to the Mets they got screwed a bit here with the Marlins having a protected first rounder AND having signed another, higher rated, Type A. That's bad luck.
2. My guess is that is probably an unlikely scenario. More likely I think they may have felt they had a chance to sign him but either the mid-season injury spooked them or something changed within the club's finances that made that impossible.
Playing devil's advocate here though. In reality, I agree with you.
On the other hand, if Reyes hadn't gotten hurt in July and they would have traded him, well, it would have been even worse as far as reaction from the general fanbase. Before his leg issues started to flare up, he was having a season for the ages (at least as far as Mets offensive performers have gone). Really, the Wilpons are lucky that Reyes started to break down, because they were probably never gonna resign him, but if he had coasted through last year without any problems, not resigning him would have been an even harder sell than it is now.
*sigh*, I just wish that Reyes had signed in like the AL or something. I'm not looking forward to having to watch him play against the Mets 18 times a year.
I think they're borderline insolvent. As in, in constant risk of failing to meet payroll and having the banks or MLB foreclosure. Every decision is being made with regards to short term cash flow.
They probably thought the revenue hit from dumping Reyes would have swamped them.
Not only that, but him going to an NL East competitor is doubly bad. Take 5 WAR off of your team and add it to a rival's?
If Reyes is your favorite player, you might be reduced to (a) hoping he does well against the Mets while (b) the Mets lose every single game anyway. That's what I was reduced to when Clemens went to the Yankees -- well, I was hoping the Yankees would lose in the 9th on an error by Jeter, ruining Clemens's 15-K shutout -- and let's just say that it doesn't really work out that way.
Yeah - I call it MNS. Mike Napoli Syndrome.
Shoot me now.
That's my guess too. They got Wheeler for Beltran, Reyes is the more valuable player. If they had no plans/intent/ability to resign him, I think they would have dealt him, and gotten an even better return than they got on Beltran (though it is tricky, b/c Reyes made it clear he was going to test the FA market).
There's the rub. Reyes has played in less than 300 games over the last three years, accumulating 9.8 WAR (per BB-Ref). If he only produces 3 WAR per year, they would be paying him over $6 million per WAR. Plus, additional injury would likely hasten his defensive decline.
This may be a risk worth taking for "Miami", but it seems like the odds are not insignificant that it turns out to be a long-term drag.
There's an unusually high chance of it working very well or (particularly considering the quality of player) poorly.
Oh and for #9, Dan may or may not attach a projection. Since he's busily grinding out the league files this early I personally try to avoid nagging.
But I'd be interested in what ZiPS sees for him.
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