David Ortiz – xxxxxxxxx - future Hall of Famer

hey, whoa. I have it on good authority from CFB in numerous threads over the years that there is no way this guy is a future HOFer. No way, no sir!

Thanks for the awards, definitely a good bit of fun.

Ironically I think even without a deep rotation the team could be a beast in the playoffs assuming you believe that Wright and Porcello can be decent and give you 5/6 in each start. With long relief of Clay/Kelly and E-rod along with Kimbrel, Uehara, Tazawa and now Ziegler to cover the last inning or two, in a short series this team could really punish people. Or am I just blowing smoke out my arse as per usual?

Oh and Moncada is just a beast(can they teach him to play 3rd?). I reckon his bat is good enough to play at 1B/DH next year when Ortiz retires and Hanley is manning a fair bit of DH(I presume)

Oh and Moncada is just a beast(can they teach him to play 3rd?

My father and I were talking about this last week. I think you will see him at third eventually and the moment you do is the moment he goes from "player being developed" to "guy on the cusp of a call up." Right now I think they are just letting him develop his all around game and adjust to living in the States. I think when he shifts to third base or left field that he will be in the majors within a couple months.

Ortiz is having such a monstrous year it actually compares well with a Ted Williams year. Considering that Teddy Ballgame was one of the two best hitters to ever grace the game, that's extremely high praise.

I am thoroughly enjoying his final season, and I want the Sox to do as well as possible for him to have a perfect send-off.

Highest non-Ted Rbat for the Red Sox, Ted would be on this list 14 times including the Top 6:



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Boggs 5; Ortiz, Manny, Yaz, Foxx & Speaker 3; Rice 2; AdrianG, Nomar, Greenwell, FLynn, Petrocelli, Bob Johnson & Ruth 1. Ortiz likely to add a 4th season of 45+ Rbat this year. 33.6 is the 64th highest non-Ted Red Sox Rbat, 80th including Ted. Highest ISO for the Red Sox, min 300 PA:



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Baseball Reference shows him with a -0.6 dWAR which honestly seems far worse than he has been.

It's very hard for a 1B not to have negative dWAR because of the positional adjustment. Plus -.6 dWAR in a season is pretty much what he's averaged through his career. Note Rfield puts him at -1 this year which is essentially dead average for a 1B. (And I don't think it includes scooping.)

I have it on good authority from CFB in numerous threads over the years that there is no way this guy is a future HOFer. No way, no sir!

Always a difference between should be and will be -- although I don't know what cfb's feelings are on "will be." Three to four years ago, both looked very much in doubt but this incredible finish to his career, cruising past 500 HR, on the way to his 4th straight 100 RBI year (and 10th of his career), and he'll get a ton of MVP love this year and maybe even win it if the Red Sox can take the division ... he'll get in, deserving or not. Probably made himself into a 1st ballot guy now (depending on who else debuts).

To quantify, through age 36 he was on 40 WAR and, given his age and recent performance and injury at age 36, you couldn't expect more than 45 by the end.

Ortiz 33-36: 280/375/531, 2221 PA, 112 HR, 137 OPS+, 10.6 WAR, 2.6 WAA
Ortiz 37-40: 289/379/566, 2159 PA, 124 HR, 153 OPS+, 14.1 WAR, 6.7 WAA and counting

FWIW, ZiPS loved Ortiz going into 2013 in all ways except playing time ... "projected" to just 418 PA, but a 150 OPS+ and 3.4 WAR. Dan got that pretty much spot on except Ortiz did it for 600 PA. So maybe his future 37-40 wasn't as dim as it seemed to me but to out-perform ages 33-36 in every way from ages 37-40 is quite rare in baseball.

I still wouldn't put him in my personal HoF and I'm sure there will be somebody on the ballot who I think clearly outclasses him that will be lucky to get 1/3 of his vote total, but I have no doubts Ortiz is going in.