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   1. Darren Posted: September 29, 2019 at 08:40 PM (#5884473)
If that's the last we see of Mookie on the Red Sox, what an ending!
   2. Darren Posted: September 29, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5884478)
I expect JDM to opt out. It's not a slam dunk, but I can see him deciding that his 2 years cemented that 2016 was legit. He's only getting older and he risks having a down year. Guess I wouldn't be shocked either way, though.

Mookie, I think they make him their best offer, whatever that may be, and then trade him if he doesn't take it. I have no idea if he'll accept.
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: September 29, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5884500)
If JDM Opts Out He’s Gone - I think secretly the Sox would be delighted to see JDM opt out. If he does I think they let him walk, get very serious about re-signing Mookie and go from there. That’s not a knock on JD just a recognition that the Sox are working within a budget and moving on from him allows other things to happen.
If they don't want him at that salary and he doesn't opt out, they would be able to salary dump a very high percentage of his contract.
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: September 29, 2019 at 10:44 PM (#5884501)
Mookie, I think they make him their best offer, whatever that may be, and then trade him if he doesn't take it.
That's plausible. But I think it's more likely that they'd try to win one more time with him. The roster is far from talent-empty.
   5. Darren Posted: October 05, 2019 at 06:21 PM (#5886912)
This will be an exciting offseason, even if it's for reasons that aren't so great. Some thoughts:

--I've come to the conclusion that they should not offer JBJ arbitration. He's a fine player but the market is just not paying $10 Mil/year for 30-year-old glovemen.

--Knowing that extensions can be structured so that they start the following year and don't count against the current year, could the Red Sox sign Betts for something like 10/$350MM (pick your number), and then pay it out as $20MM for his last year of arb, and 9/$330MM for the extension? Could they do it as $10MM/$340MM? Or how about a 1 year, $10MM deal with an 9/$340MM player option, plus a $25MM buyout.

--Could the Red Sox buy themselves some payroll space by extending certain players? What if you added a 1 year, $10MM to Price's deal. Now he's 4/$106--$27MM per year instead of $31MM. Rework JDM's deal to 5/$90MM. Now he's $18MM instead of $22MM. Dustin Pedroia, if he concludes he's not going to play again, may be open to a 4/$28MM deal to replace his 2/$26MM deal.

--I suspect some of the above 'schemes' would run afoul of the 'you can't do stuff to get around the cap' part of the CBA. Maybe worth a try though?

--Trade Mookie? If you can't sign him this offseason, I think you have to strongly consider it. Getting back some value for him (and other teams may value him more for next year, especially given the free agent compensation situation) and then trying to resign him in 2021 makes a ton of sense.

--Jabari Blash

--Some trade ideas for Mookie, if it comes to that: Thor+ or Rizzo+. Both of these guys are under control for 2 years. They have similar costs over that two years, but their 2020 tax hit would be way lower.
   6. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: October 05, 2019 at 09:04 PM (#5886974)
What about Jabari Blash?

I think trading Mookie is monumentally stupid but if we are going to I like your ideas. Getting Rizzo back would be fun.

I won’t be surprised at all if JBJ gets non-tendered for just the reason you say. Additionally they have a couple of intriguing prospects in the minors. Neither is ready but Jarren Duran could be a second half option. Gilberto Jimenez was only in Lowell but is outrageously fast.
   7. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 06, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5887070)

--Trade Mookie? If you can't sign him this offseason, I think you have to strongly consider it. Getting back some value for him (and other teams may value him more for next year, especially given the free agent compensation situation) and then trying to resign him in 2021 makes a ton of sense.


I would rather see Betts leave in FA than be traded. Trading gives off a vibe of giving up. Would much rather see the Sox try to do everything they can to sign him and if it doesn't work, then it doesn't work. None of the Jon Lester too cute for their own #### bullshit.
   8. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 06, 2019 at 11:57 PM (#5887250)
I would rather see Betts leave in FA than be traded.


I sort of get what you are saying but Mookie has tremendous value. You wouldn't just give away something without getting something in return. If next year is not going well, and you don't think you can sign him, might as well get a boatload of prospects for him. The Cards gave up a bit to get Goldy, so maybe you get something at the deadline.

Personally I'd rather they just say, here's 10/365, take it or leave it. That's a fair offer.
   9. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 07, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5887288)

Personally I'd rather they just say, here's 10/365, take it or leave it. That's a fair offer.


Why can't they just offer him something market value and see where it goes from there? Mookie has expressed the desire to go to arbitration to see how the process works, he's said similar things about FA. How about don't be a dick to him, make him a fair offer, let him look around if he needs to, and negotiate with him so they can come to an agreement. If that takes the Sox to the last minute and Betts ultimately decides to leave the org for more money somewhere else, fine. The Sox have already gotten so much more out of him than they could have ever expected, there's no need to ALWAYS MAXIMIZE EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Show the player they respect him, want him back, and go from there.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: October 07, 2019 at 10:00 AM (#5887290)
I would rather see Betts leave in FA than be traded.
I sort of get what you are saying but Mookie has tremendous value. You wouldn't just give away something without getting something in return. If next year is not going well, and you don't think you can sign him, might as well get a boatload of prospects for him. The Cards gave up a bit to get Goldy, so maybe you get something at the deadline.
I think jacksone was talking about the offseason, not a potential scenario in which the Sox stink at the deadline.
   11. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: October 07, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5887308)
I think jacksone was talking about the offseason, not a potential scenario in which the Sox stink at the deadline.


Let's say the Sox basically repeat their year next season. Would you trade Betts during the season? To me that's such a cold, give-up on the team move, I would really be incredibly turned off the Sox if they did that.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: October 07, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5887314)
I wouldn't (but it's close). But if they repeat, say 2014, I would trade him during the season.
   13. Darren Posted: October 11, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5889356)
I like Jabari Blash. I would like to see what he could do if given a shot to play 1B. I also like the Jose Martinez who is playing in the KBO.
   14. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: October 13, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5890158)
Not really related to anything but a note in Rob Bradford’s Sunday notes column (all of which is really good) about Beckett at the end of the 2011 that I had never read before;

And in 2011 Josh Beckett found himself in a similar situation as Hudson. The pitcher was slated to serve as the Red Sox starter if his team had to play a play-in game against Tampa Bay with the Sox having few options in what would be Game 163. But Beckett made it clear to all involved the team shouldn't count on him for such an outing with his wife slated to give birth to the couple's first child the day after the regular season.

This is what he told WEEI.com the following spring training regarding the decision:

"I got torn apart," Beckett said. "Everybody just destroyed me because I cared more about what was going on with my wife than I did that game. I almost think people want me to think the other way around, and I think that's absolutely absurd. To ask a man to care more about a major league baseball game -- and I know it's a major league baseball game -- than he does about what's going on with his wife, who's due any minute. And I never want her to be an excuse. Yeah, I was distracted, but that's not her problem. That's on me. I would never trade that."

He added, "If somebody reads this or somebody thinks I'm wrong, they can go [expletive> themselves. That's the truth. That's what's important to me. I'm not saying baseball is not important. I could differentiate on the day I was pitching. I went out there and I was still as competitive. I'm not saying my mind was only focused on just this pitch because I did have other things on my mind. Whether you want to understand that or not, I don't care because I know who I am and what I'm trying to do."

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