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   1. villageidiom Posted: September 25, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5978703)
Black and Tanner
I like the notion of a TV show about the odd couple of Bud Black and Tanner Houck.

Thanks for the memories JBJ.  I think we all have our memories of him.
His ski-jump thing as part of the postgame celebration with Mookie and Benintendi throughout 2018 was unfathomable, but he gets bonus points for creativity and spirit.

Yeah, most of my stand-out memories of JBJ involved not his defense - probably because "extraordinary" became routine - but when he was locked in on offense. Man, when JBJ was on it felt like the team was unbeatable.

I am not suggesting that this is a brilliant performance and I am still not to enthused by Roenicke but he deserves credit for that. 
This is fair. They eventually played to their potential, after a horrible start. Righting the ship is an important aspect of managing, and that they did. (They righted it to a mediocre level, but that was the general expectation to begin with.)

I am fairly optimistic that the path to contention is not especially long. 
A lot of it depends on the health of their starting pitching. But they can make some moves this offseason to beef up the roster.
   2. villageidiom Posted: September 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM (#5978709)
So here are the dollars coming off the books this year:

-$14.3 million: Rusney Castillo. It wasn't counted toward the threshold, but money is money.
-$11.0 million: JBJ.
-$ 4.4 million: JD Martinez. If he doesn't opt out, his salary going forward is actually lower than in 2020 (pandemic pro-rating aside).

In additional payments, Eduardo Rodriguez will enter his final year of arbitration, and Devers enters his first. Barnes, Peraza, and various flotsam will also hit arb. And Vazquez and Benintendi get a combined $5 million in raises. Let's say that's $15 million worth of additions. Combined with the reductions above, and noting they're already $10 million under the threshold this season, and assuming the typical economic landscape for teams rather than (waves hand) whatever this is, then they have $15 million in "extra" cash to spend... and about $12 million under the threshold. If Martinez opts out, then they can make a bigger set of moves - but they'd need to, in order to replace him.

Ostensibly the biggest additions they make next year are Sale and Rodriguez. I think they'll try to shore up the farm and the bullpen, and figure out how to handle LF (if they bump Benintendi to CF) among the players they have now. Frankly I think Chavis has failed his audition out there.
   3. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM (#5978713)
Black and Tanner

I like the notion of a TV show about the odd couple of Bud Black and Tanner Houck.


Not sure I'd recommend going with that title in an Irish town like Boston...
   4. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: September 25, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5978729)
$ 4.4 million: JD Martinez. If he doesn't opt out, his salary going forward is actually lower than in 2020 (pandemic pro-rating aside).


For luxury tax purposes the contract doesn't change right?
   5. villageidiom Posted: September 25, 2020 at 02:35 PM (#5978744)
Right. Luxury tax amounts for his contract are already baked in at AAV. But as I said regarding Castillo, money is money.
   6. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 25, 2020 at 04:38 PM (#5978786)
In between he was simply the Robert Parish of the Sox. 


Bradley wishes his NBA comp is Parish. Parish is in the HOF.
   7. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 25, 2020 at 04:45 PM (#5978791)
I like Dalbec, especially since I learned that he's a converted pitcher. He can become a better hitter. I'm optimistic about him.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: September 25, 2020 at 04:48 PM (#5978794)
Robert Parish has the record for games played, I think. So that makes .... Pete Rose the Robert Parish of baseball?
   9. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 25, 2020 at 04:59 PM (#5978796)
I don't think so. If longevity is the only measure, sure, but Parish was an all time great offensive and defensive player. He didn't score as much as Wilt because he had Bird and McHale and Dennis Johnson on the floor with him, as well as Danny Ainge, who was no slouch, you know.*

Parish wore out his opponents by running them into the ground. He ran better than most big men, of not all of them. He consistently beat them down the floor, all game, every game. He put tremendous pressure on defenses, which often left someone else like Bird or McHale open for easy buckets. Parish was the second greatest Celtic center, after Russell. Parish was better than Cowens, who also was great. Parish was 7'1". Enormous.

*Ok ok...he was a tremendous slouch.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: September 25, 2020 at 05:43 PM (#5978803)
Alright, Yaz it is.
   11. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 25, 2020 at 05:55 PM (#5978805)
Better, but it still undersells Parish. Parish was voted a top 50 all-time NBA player. Granted it was in 1996 and there may be a few guys since that would make that list, but Parish certainly wasn't in the bottom 10 of the original 50.
   12. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: September 25, 2020 at 08:35 PM (#5978832)
It’s not quite true to say Dalbec is a converted pitcher. He was a good college pitcher but was the regular third baseman at Arizona. The Sox drafted him as a third baseman. My recollection is that he had a lot of success on the mound in the CWS after being drafted by the Sox.
   13. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: September 26, 2020 at 08:42 AM (#5978897)
Fat Panda is off the books finally as well. Sox had to pay him $5M this year.
   14. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 26, 2020 at 03:37 PM (#5978994)
It’s not quite true to say Dalbec is a converted pitcher. He was a good college pitcher but was the regular third baseman at Arizona. The Sox drafted him as a third baseman. My recollection is that he had a lot of success on the mound in the CWS after being drafted by the Sox.


If we get 5 to 7 good years out of him, I'd be happy. And I think it's a good possibility.
   15. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 26, 2020 at 05:25 PM (#5979011)
Yeah, my main memory of JBJ is that first time when he suddenly went on a huge tear after never looking like a major league hitter.

2013 (107 PA): .189/.280/.337
2014 (423 PA): .198/.265/.266
2015 through August 8 (71 PA): .121/.254/.172
Remainder of 2015 (184 PA): .294/.366/.613

Or, if you really want to cherry pick:

8/9/15 - 9/7/15 (90 PA): .446/.489/.952

I recall at the time there were articles about how unprecedented that hot streak was, given how bad he had been for his first ~600 major league PA.
   16. Darren Posted: September 28, 2020 at 11:08 AM (#5979355)
I thought you attended one game this year. I saw you in center field, jumping around and throwing hats at people.
   17. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: September 28, 2020 at 11:27 AM (#5979358)
On the advice of my attorney I have no comment.

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