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The Red Sox were better than the Rockies. It is correct that they won.
17. covelli chris p
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:26 AM (#2598166)
that was fun!
18. John DiFool2
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:26 AM (#2598168)
I have never followed a team as closely as I did this year (thanks to MLB's webcasts-I live nowhere near a ML city), and frankly it wore me out to death. But after Beckett's ALCS game 5 win I knew they had "it" again, just like in '04.
I hardly watched the Sox in '04. Couldn't watch. Didn't want to jinx them. My wife called me in to come watch with 2 out in the bottom of the 9th in Game 4 against St. Louis.
I watched as much as I possibly could this post-season. I think my own personal curse is over.
20. John DiFool2
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:29 AM (#2598183)
The key to this season is the faith the Sox showed in their kids. Without them Cleveland is probably out there tonite celebrating. Most organizations probably wouldn't have stuck a September callup in CF in the middle of a do or die postseason series.
Congrats to the Rockies and their fans. I probably would have been rooting for you had the opponent been anybody else.
23. Repoz
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:32 AM (#2598189)
I just left a bar full of Yankee fans totally beside themselves (re: cocainic attack) with the A-Rod deal and the Sox winning.
Blow Ajax, blow!
24. Joel W
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:33 AM (#2598192)
I'm just smiling, there's really not much else to do. I guess my optimism was rewarded.
What a great team. 11-3 in the playoffs, so 107-69, pretty damn good. And that's while playing under their pythag! and resting for a month heading into the playoffs.
But really, they checked off everything on the list. Win the division. Best record in baseball. Win the World Series.
And oh yeah, develop young guys. God I'm excited for next year too.
Whoo! I wanted Ellsbury to get the MVP, but it really doesn't matter all that much.
28. Sam M.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:37 AM (#2598201)
You realize, don't you, that this century is starting out pretty much like the last one did? Then, they won two titles in the first 9 World Series (1903, 1912). This time, it's two in the first eight World Series (2004, 2007).
I've got some good news: three more are coming soon!!!
I said this in the chatter, but I'll say it again: I feel like this is the best Sox team of my lifetime. They seemed inevitable. I just knew. Even when I doubted . . . I knew. They were too good. In the real world, that could totally have gone wrong. But it didn't.
32. Dan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:39 AM (#2598210)
I said this after game 1 vs. Cleveland (at least that's when I think it was? it was in some ST thread): This team is the best baseball team I've ever followed. No, they don't hit quite like the 2003-2004 squads, but their pitching is slightly better, and their defense is miles, miles better. I love this team twice as much as I liked the 2004 squad.
They didn't lose a game after Phil Coorey's second kid was born.
36. Hugh Jorgan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:40 AM (#2598215)
Biff, you and I mate, never waivered all season. Congrats to the Rox on a great season and WHOOOO-effing-HOOO to all those Sox fans!
So next season, whats our starting rotation?
37. Dan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:40 AM (#2598216)
Damnit Voxter, you stole my sentiments by mere seconds.
38. Xander
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:41 AM (#2598217)
Oh and Jon ############# Lester. That was awesome.
This is true.
44. Hugh Jorgan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:44 AM (#2598224)
The starters did a nice job. However in saying that, the Rox were never really hitting even before the series. We just needed to get our 4+ runs a game and it was pretty much a done deal.
45. Phil Coorey.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:45 AM (#2598225)
Girls are 7-0!!!
Best few weeks of my life
46. Joel W
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:45 AM (#2598226)
This Sox team had 103 "Third Order Wins." That was while sitting one of their best hitters for a month when he probably could have played in some of it.
I'm not sure what the team that played in the playoffs was on its true talent level, but it's a Great team. It had the Manny that didn't really exist all year, and the JD Drew that was expected coming in, and Ellsbury who is superior to Crisp. I'd put the team that just played those last 14 games up against almost any team I can remember.
47. Phil Coorey.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:45 AM (#2598227)
And Wok comes through in the clutch, delivering the inappropriate comment that we've all come to depend on him for!
I'm going to cross-post this from the chatter, even the part about how it's a stupid question, because it's a stupid question that makes me happy:
So, this has occurred to me. Obviously, if he retires tomorrow, Tito is not a Hall of Famer. But if he hangs around for another seven or eight years, and the Sox continue to be similarly successful, does he make the Hall of Fame? Would he deserve to? I mean, Joe Torre seems like a no-brainer. Would Tito, come 2015, if the Sox continue to make the playoffs all the time?
This is a dumb question, but I'm posting it anyway.
Congrats to the Red Sox and all their fans. It's been a great year following this team, and looking to the future just brings even more joy.
With 2004 shaking all of the curse nonsense and now 2007 proving we could do it again, is it time for Sox Therapy to get a new name?
60. HowardMegdal
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:54 AM (#2598252)
Congratulations, Red Sox fans! Anyone who begrudges you two titles in four years after the drought you went through is an idiot. And not the good, Kevin Millar kind of idiot.
66. Dan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:00 AM (#2598270)
Can't we just sign ARod to play SS and Lowell to play 3B?
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
SS Arod
DH Ortiz
LF Ramirez
RF Drew
3B Lowell
1b Youkilis
C Varitek
Now THAT's a lineup.
67. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:02 AM (#2598274)
Seriously guys, WTF are you talking about next year already for? Great season, great ending! Enjoy the moment!
68. Joel W
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:03 AM (#2598272)
Darren I have been back for like a month now!
And Hugh, even though this team w/ ARod next year could win an unfathomable amount of games, and even though I even kind of like A-Rod, I just don't want him. I just don't want to deal with the bullshit associated with him.
Just ran down Boylston, it's a really good level of crazy there. Not the once-in-a-lifetime carnivale of 2004, but just a whole lot of people celebrating, Dominican flags everywhere. It's great.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was a great game. Great season. So many players who are so much fun to watch. I'm a very lucky fan right now.
Just ran down Boylston, it's a really good level of crazy there. Not the once-in-a-lifetime carnivale of 2004, but just a whole lot of people celebrating, Dominican flags everywhere. It's great.
They're not burning Japanese flags are they?
72. Hugh Jorgan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:07 AM (#2598279)
Darren, I wouldn't have mentioned next year except for the A-rod announcement and of course Schillings undetermined status, but hey you're right...time to enjoy. I'll go home tonight and enjoy several cold ones...
73. Phil Coorey.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:07 AM (#2598280)
I just can't get over Lester today - wow, just wow.
EDIT - What about the Keilty homer??? That was huge
74. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:07 AM (#2598281)
I know Joel, just nice to see you here more regularly is all. Good to see all of you here. What a year! Francona's a genius!
78. Joel W
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:12 AM (#2598289)
MCA I can't say I'm jealous that you're in Boston right now (as living in New York is great), but that's a great feeling there.
And I have to say, Francona really does impress me (though I know you're joking Darren, a bit). I guess I just mean that during the season, we fault his tactical decisions, but we never really know all of the long term considerations being considered. In the playoffs though, we see his strategies unfiltered. Even though there were a few mistakes, I was generally very happy. Going to Paps early and often is great. Putting in Ellsbury is reminiscent of the guy who made the move for Papelbon over Foulke and kept Bellhorn in at 2nd. He's a good manager.
Dusty Baker looks pimp explaining how and why the Sox won the series, you see.
He would be good for the Red Sox, you see. If this Francona fella, ever feels disrespected. Dusty could be a good fit, you see.
81. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:14 AM (#2598294)
And I have to say, Francona really does impress me (though I know you're joking Darren, a bit).
I'm joking a bit, but I'm also trying to give him his due. It's easy to criticize from where I sit, but he's the one doing the job and he's getting it done. He deserves his share of credit for their success.
87. PJ Martinez
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:18 AM (#2598310)
another fan of sox populi here.
great work all season, Darren. I'm with #70.
88. Answer Guy.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:19 AM (#2598313)
It's easy to criticize from where I sit, but he's the one doing the job and he's getting it done. He deserves his share of credit for their success.
Indeed. For someone not used having to manage NL games, he was very adept about using the double switch, the proper pinch runners, and the proper pinch hitters at the right points in the game. He also proved adept at not leaving Schilling and Dice-K in the games too long.
My top complaint about his managerial style was his over-reliance on Okajima to the point where poor Oki would wear down.
89. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:21 AM (#2598321)
Sox Populi might make us forget where we came from though. Plus, what do we call the regulars there? Populians? Populists? No ring to it!
For the record, I posted the Tito question thinking that, if the Sox continue to win 90-100 games a year (maybe with the very occasional stumble), he's probably a HoFerm but also kind of a litmus test for the New Model Manager: To me, what he is, is a fabulous middle manager. He's able to take instructions from management and implement them on the fly. He's much better at that than, say, Eric Wedge.
Tito is no Sweet Lou, but then, Sweet Lou is no Tito, if you see what I mean.
91. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:22 AM (#2598325)
On the subject of selecting pinch-hitters, why did he go to Kielty over Youks there?
Sox Populi might make us forget where we came from though. Plus, what do we call the regulars there? Populians? Populists? No ring to it!
There's some merit in both of these arguments.
93. Phil Coorey.
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:24 AM (#2598332)
Michael Chilis on Postgame - hilarious
94. Joel W
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:25 AM (#2598334)
Darren, wouldn't it just be "Gli populi"
95. Guapo
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:25 AM (#2598335)
Top 10 quotes from Red Sox Fans from the September 18 Sox Therapy thread:
10. "I don't see a really good reason why I should give a #### about the rest of the games this year if the management doesn't."
9. "Did [Okajima's] bad appearance against the Yankees move him down to mop-up duty?"
8. "I hate this Sox team, no killer instinct at all."
7. "Also, what the hell is up with Ramirez?. . . I'm suddenly glad that contract runs out next year."
6. "Francona's not a good manager.Let me add: if he has a good relationship with his bosses after the way he's handled this season, then it reflects badly on his bosses."
5. "Also, I'm willing ot accept not making the palyoffs at all if it gets Francona fired."
4. "Why can't I for once just have some sort of victory celebration without drama and endless F!@#ups?"
3. "To be honest it makes no damn bit of difference who makes the playoffs the way the yankees are playing. If they play this week for another month it's in the bag. My god I want to shoot myself."
2. "Another year, another late season collapse."
And the #1 quote is:
"O.k. whingers, bring it on!! So the lead is a might skinny. Yee of little faith, we will win this division by taking at least 6 or our next 9 games and then pummell all comers in the playoffs! We just took some time to get our bad play out of our systems...not its time to rock!"
Congratulations Red Sox fans... hope you enjoyed the rollercoaster ride. ;-)
96. Xander
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:25 AM (#2598336)
On the subject of selecting pinch-hitters, why did he go to Kielty over Youks there?
Because if Youks was used and it was a 1-2-3 inning then he'd have to take Ortiz out when he's 1st up next inning.
Also want to express my thanks to Darren for ST, though unlike the season, his work on that front won't end with tonight's game.
And MCoA, I'd be happy to reimburse you if you could ship me a Globe. I collected front pages from New England newspapers after 2004, though one would suffice this time.
98. Darren
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:27 AM (#2598340)
On the subject of selecting pinch-hitters, why did he go to Kielty over Youks there?
This is baseball. Don't argue with results.
[/sarcasm]
More realistically, it's gotta be the splits, right? Tito has shown that he finds those very convincing in the past (starting K earlier in the playoffs, for instance). Kielty murders lefties, and Youk is merely very good against them.
Also, I just discovered that if you search for "Youk" at BB-Ref, it takes you to just exactly the page you want.
100. Hugh Jorgan
Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:27 AM (#2598342)
"O.k. whingers, bring it on!! So the lead is a might skinny. Yee of little faith, we will win this division by taking at least 6 or our next 9 games and then pummell all comers in the playoffs! We just took some time to get our bad play out of our systems...not its time to rock!"
I believe that was me :-), as only an Aussie would use whingers over whiners...
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BTW, that's a classic. I do
And it's going to get worse. But such is the price you pay.
PLAYOFF CO-MVP'S - PHIL'S SPERM AND MRS. PHIL'S EGGS!!!! WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsflash to O'Dowd and Monfart: God doesn't give a rat's arse about your team. Really.
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great year. They were the best team in baseball, and deserved this.
And thanks to the Sox for saving us from more articles about how the Rockies are the chosen people.
Stay classy, Sox nation.
Enjoy your celebration.
Good job Sox Therapy.
LETS GO REDSOX!! CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP.
WWWWWWWWWWW
WWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I watched as much as I possibly could this post-season. I think my own personal curse is over.
Lowell was a fitting MVP, though it again could have been a bunch of guys.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats to the Rockies and their fans. I probably would have been rooting for you had the opponent been anybody else.
Blow Ajax, blow!
What a great team. 11-3 in the playoffs, so 107-69, pretty damn good. And that's while playing under their pythag! and resting for a month heading into the playoffs.
But really, they checked off everything on the list. Win the division. Best record in baseball. Win the World Series.
And oh yeah, develop young guys. God I'm excited for next year too.
Now can your team please go back to sucking in the playoffs? K thx bye.
I've got some good news: three more are coming soon!!!
And I've got some bad news . . . . ;-)
These guys are Primates. They'll have drunk themselves to death before they have to endure too many of those lean years.
*ducks*
I don't even know what that means...
They didn't lose a game after Phil Coorey's second kid was born.
So next season, whats our starting rotation?
It means Wok is perilously close to violating the restraining order.
This is true.
Best few weeks of my life
I'm not sure what the team that played in the playoffs was on its true talent level, but it's a Great team. It had the Manny that didn't really exist all year, and the JD Drew that was expected coming in, and Ellsbury who is superior to Crisp. I'd put the team that just played those last 14 games up against almost any team I can remember.
I thought it was hilarious, and true!!!
(insert crude comment about Mike Lowell's testicles here)
Pop a few more out!!! WHOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God love him!!!
Agree, what about A Rod?? Lets just resign Mikey Lowell!!!
With 2004 shaking all of the curse nonsense and now 2007 proving we could do it again, is it time for Sox Therapy to get a new name?
Please kindly leave the AL.
I'm with you here. I hope he's gone from NY, but I'd really prefer the Red Sox let him go somewhere else.
Have to agree with the sentiments about Lester. What a great thing for him.
No way. He is LA of Anaheim bound.
CF Ellsbury
2B Pedroia
SS Arod
DH Ortiz
LF Ramirez
RF Drew
3B Lowell
1b Youkilis
C Varitek
Now THAT's a lineup.
And Hugh, even though this team w/ ARod next year could win an unfathomable amount of games, and even though I even kind of like A-Rod, I just don't want him. I just don't want to deal with the bullshit associated with him.
Just ran down Boylston, it's a really good level of crazy there. Not the once-in-a-lifetime carnivale of 2004, but just a whole lot of people celebrating, Dominican flags everywhere. It's great.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was a great game. Great season. So many players who are so much fun to watch. I'm a very lucky fan right now.
They're not burning Japanese flags are they?
EDIT - What about the Keilty homer??? That was huge
And congrats, Phil. This must be about as good as it gets. (I can send you a Globe again - let me know.)
Sox Populi?
And I have to say, Francona really does impress me (though I know you're joking Darren, a bit). I guess I just mean that during the season, we fault his tactical decisions, but we never really know all of the long term considerations being considered. In the playoffs though, we see his strategies unfiltered. Even though there were a few mistakes, I was generally very happy. Going to Paps early and often is great. Putting in Ellsbury is reminiscent of the guy who made the move for Papelbon over Foulke and kept Bellhorn in at 2nd. He's a good manager.
He would be good for the Red Sox, you see. If this Francona fella, ever feels disrespected. Dusty could be a good fit, you see.
I'm joking a bit, but I'm also trying to give him his due. It's easy to criticize from where I sit, but he's the one doing the job and he's getting it done. He deserves his share of credit for their success.
That would be swell, I'll contact you by email after this thread (and the A Rod one) settles down!!!
I believe that is a first. :) Congrats!
Ditto.
great work all season, Darren. I'm with #70.
Indeed. For someone not used having to manage NL games, he was very adept about using the double switch, the proper pinch runners, and the proper pinch hitters at the right points in the game. He also proved adept at not leaving Schilling and Dice-K in the games too long.
My top complaint about his managerial style was his over-reliance on Okajima to the point where poor Oki would wear down.
(thanks for the kind words too fellas)
Tito is no Sweet Lou, but then, Sweet Lou is no Tito, if you see what I mean.
There's some merit in both of these arguments.
10. "I don't see a really good reason why I should give a #### about the rest of the games this year if the management doesn't."
9. "Did [Okajima's] bad appearance against the Yankees move him down to mop-up duty?"
8. "I hate this Sox team, no killer instinct at all."
7. "Also, what the hell is up with Ramirez?. . . I'm suddenly glad that contract runs out next year."
6. "Francona's not a good manager.Let me add: if he has a good relationship with his bosses after the way he's handled this season, then it reflects badly on his bosses."
5. "Also, I'm willing ot accept not making the palyoffs at all if it gets Francona fired."
4. "Why can't I for once just have some sort of victory celebration without drama and endless F!@#ups?"
3. "To be honest it makes no damn bit of difference who makes the playoffs the way the yankees are playing. If they play this week for another month it's in the bag. My god I want to shoot myself."
2. "Another year, another late season collapse."
And the #1 quote is:
"O.k. whingers, bring it on!! So the lead is a might skinny. Yee of little faith, we will win this division by taking at least 6 or our next 9 games and then pummell all comers in the playoffs! We just took some time to get our bad play out of our systems...not its time to rock!"
Congratulations Red Sox fans... hope you enjoyed the rollercoaster ride. ;-)
And MCoA, I'd be happy to reimburse you if you could ship me a Globe. I collected front pages from New England newspapers after 2004, though one would suffice this time.
This is baseball. Don't argue with results.
[/sarcasm]
More realistically, it's gotta be the splits, right? Tito has shown that he finds those very convincing in the past (starting K earlier in the playoffs, for instance). Kielty murders lefties, and Youk is merely very good against them.
Also, I just discovered that if you search for "Youk" at BB-Ref, it takes you to just exactly the page you want.
I believe that was me :-), as only an Aussie would use whingers over whiners...
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