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   101. Answer Guy. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:27 AM (#2598343)
On the subject of selecting pinch-hitters, why did he go to Kielty over Youks there?

He wasn't certain Ortiz was going to bat that inning until after the Kielty HR?
   102. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:28 AM (#2598346)
Oh, and Dazza, another great season on the site...thanks mate.
   103. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:29 AM (#2598347)
I retract my last point. TempleU (who has the best topical handle in history) is correct.
   104. Darren Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:31 AM (#2598349)
Am I Dazza? Is that good? Is it better than whinger?
   105. JB H Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:34 AM (#2598352)
this was satisfying
   106. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:34 AM (#2598353)
Dazza is just what you'd be called if you were an Aussie...whinger is definitely not positive. But I wouldn't say you whinge at all, just a little sceptical of our chances earlier in the year.
If you were David, we'd call you Davo, Robert because Robbo. Aussies like their nicknames...
   107. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:43 AM (#2598358)
whinger is definitely not positive

Translating Brit/Aussie to US/Canadian, "whingeing" = "whining".

I am here for all questions about Belgian French versus French French, insomuch as I remember them, as well!
   108. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:43 AM (#2598361)
What would you call someone named Linus?
   109. tfbg9 Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:55 AM (#2598367)
WE WON ANOTHER F*CKING WORLD SERIES!!!
   110. Mike Hampton's #1 Fan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:00 AM (#2598371)
Hard to believe, isn't it?

Weird as it may sound, I kind of have mixed feelings. 2004 was unalloyed delight, this time around ... I'm not going to say I wanted to see the Rockies win. But I would've been OK with that, and I kind of feel bad for them and their fans. Or maybe that's just the first stirrings of offseason blues.
   111. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:04 AM (#2598375)
If you were David, we'd call you Davo, Robert because Robbo. Aussies like their nicknames...

I've had a hell of a time the past 4 years, with my slang in chatter as well Hugh.

:)

Were any of those quotes posted by Guapo, mine I wonder??
   112. Corn On Ty Cobb Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:05 AM (#2598376)
Newsflash to O'Dowd and Monfart: God doesn't give a rat's arse about your team. Really.


Schilling said this win had God's fingerprints all over it. What a ####### loon.

Congrats to the Red Sox. Loved Paplebon's emotion on the last out. He was going nuts.
   113. dave h Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:10 AM (#2598381)
Winning the World Series is the one thing that makes no baseball for five months okay.
   114. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:12 AM (#2598382)
Winning the World Series is the one thing that makes no baseball for five months okay.

Agree.

I think I'll be busy in the next 5 months anyway!
   115. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:15 AM (#2598383)
Tim Kurkjian was just talking about Josh Beckett and Jon Papelbon on SportCenter. It was totally bullshit. I started crying again anyway.
   116. shozzlekhan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:21 AM (#2598391)

Schilling said this win had God's fingerprints all over it. What a ####### loon.


God has fingerprints? Looks like we might finally get a conviction on all of those murders...

Congrats to the Red Sox. Thanks for making the World Series quick so we can move on to the FA-season. ;-)
   117. Dan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:21 AM (#2598392)
HEY GUYS THE BOSTON RED SOX WON THE ############# WORLD SERIES. And I think it's better this time because I haven't blacked out...yet?
   118. Dan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:22 AM (#2598393)
So Darren, when do we get a Hot Stove thread?
   119. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:33 AM (#2598402)
THESE ARE THE GOOD OLD DAYS. AND DON'T ANYONE FORGET IT.
   120. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:34 AM (#2598403)
aND i'M DRUNK. bOO YEAH
   121. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:36 AM (#2598404)
Indeed. For someone not used having to manage NL games, [Francona] was very adept about using the double switch, the proper pinch runners, and the proper pinch hitters at the right points in the game.

After his experiences and successes in each league, Sparky Anderson said that you could teach a monkey how to strategize the double switch.

I think Terry Francona is swell. But the Rockies closed the gap to 6-5 in the seventh inning of Game 3, right after he'd pulled Ortiz AND Drew, and had the go-ahead run at the plate three times. It takes no imagination to realize how Francona's timing would have been hailed if Colorado could've tacked on 2 more runs.

But the way things went, even that would only have been a speed bump. Well done, '07 Boston! And when are we gonna get a GOOD World Series again?
   122. Dan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:38 AM (#2598406)
I'm drunk too! I found a bottle of champagne hiding in the back of the fridge, and I'm about to take the sips of the end of it.
   123. Dan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:39 AM (#2598407)
And when are we gonna get a GOOD World Series again?

About the time we get an owner in the NL that is willing to spend 150MM+ on payroll and employs a smart GM with a good manager at the helm?
   124. tfbg9 Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:45 AM (#2598410)
WE JUST WON ANOTHER WORLD SERIES!!! I'M SEMI-LOOPED!!!
   125. shozzlekhan Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:56 AM (#2598413)

About the time we get an owner in the NL that is willing to spend 150MM+ on payroll and employs a smart GM with a good manager at the helm?


*And who isn't the Mets.
   126. PJ Martinez Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:58 AM (#2598414)
"Winning the World Series is the one thing that makes no baseball for five months okay."

No, nothing makes that okay. But unlike Mike Hampton up there, I never wanted anything other than a Red Sox victory. I didn't even want the Series to go back to Boston or any of that silliness. I just wanted them to win, every night.

And for that last little while there, they did. So that was fun. (Would have been fun anyway, but, you know, fun followed by sadness, which is less enjoyable overall, I think.)
   127. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 07:03 AM (#2598419)
And when are we gonna get a GOOD World Series again?

ANY World Series that ends with Red Sox players mobbing each other on the field is a GOOD World Series in my book.
   128. tfbg9 Posted: October 29, 2007 at 07:36 AM (#2598426)
ANY World Series that ends with Red Sox players mobbing each other on the field is a GOOD World Series in my book.


Yep.
   129. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:02 AM (#2598434)
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOO

I maintain my stance that we won inspite of Francona.

[cut it out wok,--darren]
   130. tfbg9 Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:04 AM (#2598435)
Nope. Tito is a great manager. Great.
   131. Joel W Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:09 AM (#2598436)
I don't have a memory of the Red Sox losing a World Series game. That's pretty awesome given that I've seen them win 2 Series.
   132. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:10 AM (#2598437)
Nope. Tito is a great manager. Great.

I bet you Okajima's arm nor Wily mo Pena's career thinks so.
   133. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:14 AM (#2598438)
I don't have a memory of the Red Sox losing a World Series game.

That must be nice for you.
   134. Joel W Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:23 AM (#2598440)
I was 3 in 1986. I think it's how I managed to be an optimist. The only truly crushing series Sox fans my age (24) really experienced was the 2003 ALCS.
   135. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:26 AM (#2598441)
ANY World Series that ends with Red Sox players mobbing each other on the field is a GOOD World Series in my book.

What book would that be... "Big Papi: My Story of Big Dreams and Big Hits"?

Eight semi-crappy, not-too-memorable, hey-if-your-guys-won-we're-glad-for-you-but-that-hunk-of-junk-was-about-as-suspenseful-as-a-Scooby-Doo-mystery World Series out of the last ten. I'm just sayin'.
   136. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 08:40 AM (#2598444)
The only 2 good World Series's being 2001 and 2002 (or 1997?), in the last ten years, right??

I'd have to agree except 2005 could have gone either way.

I was hoping for a sweep, I must admit. Momentum is a hell of a thing in the playoffs.
   137. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:00 AM (#2598448)
Phil, you need to start having unprotected sex around mid-January. A lot of unprotected sex.
   138. Joel W Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:04 AM (#2598450)
2003 and 2004, despite relatively lackluster world series, did provide us with some fantastic playoff baseball. The LCS in both leagues in both years were amazing. Actually this year was the first bad NLCS since 2002.
   139. CiC Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:08 AM (#2598455)
With Boston and the greater New England area having so much success in baseball and football this decade, this essentially leaves Cleveland and Buffalo as the two longest standing pro sports cities without a championship in one of the four "major" team sports, I think. Maybe Philly, too, I am trying to think of the last time the Flyers won one.

In any event, it has been nearly 50 years for Buffalo, and god knows how long for Cleveland.

Are there any other cities that have been around for a while that have had less success? Kansas City, maybe?
   140. Mattbert Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:44 AM (#2598459)
Masturbatory back slaps all around! I'm digesting the win over breakfast in London this morning; was too tired to get up in the middle of the night and watch it live. I am so excited about this team's future, and the present ain't too shabby either.
   141. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:46 AM (#2598460)
Phil, you need to start having unprotected sex around mid-January. A lot of unprotected sex.

Agree.

Lu loves winning just as much as we do, so I think we are on!!!
   142. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:53 AM (#2598462)
The only 2 good World Series's being 2001 and 2002 (or 1997?), in the last ten years, right??

Right. 1997 was very good, but it was 11 Serieseseses ago, which disqualifies it from the "ten years of drudgery" premise. Actually, we had a fine run of series from 1991-1997 inclusive. I'm counting the 1994 in my head, when Jimmy Key won three games and should have been MVP, but Pedro Martinez struck out Don Mattingly with first base open in the bottom of the 38th inning to win Game Seven. The Expos scored their only run on an error in the top of the inning, when a fatigued and confused Jim Abbott picked up Wil Cordero's bunt with the wrong hand. Mattingly heard a funny snap in his back while hitting his record 7th home run in Game Six; fully and inexplicably healthy, he went on to a Hall of Fame career. I don't need to tell you about the Montreal Expos dynasty that continues to this day.
   143. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 10:03 AM (#2598468)
The year where teh Yanks swept the Braves sucked. 2001 was badass.
   144. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 29, 2007 at 11:56 AM (#2598486)
Congratulations to the Red Sox, their management and their fans.
   145. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: October 29, 2007 at 12:28 PM (#2598493)
Hello, hello!
   146. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 01:22 PM (#2598542)
So, this has occurred to me. Obviously, if he retires tomorrow, Tito is not a Hall of Famer. But if he hangs around for another seven or eight years, and the Sox continue to be similarly successful, does he make the Hall of Fame? Would he deserve to? I mean, Joe Torre seems like a no-brainer. Would Tito, come 2015, if the Sox continue to make the playoffs all the time?

This is a dumb question, but I'm posting it anyway.


Off the top of my head, the HOF likes longevity in it's manager; preferably with at least one long stint somewhere. Thus, Lasorda is in while Dick Williams isn't. Neither is Billy Martin for that matter (kept getting fired.) Nor Billy Southworth (relatively short career.)


For the record, I posted the Tito question thinking that, if the Sox continue to win 90-100 games a year (maybe with the very occasional stumble), he's probably a HoFerm but also kind of a litmus test for the New Model Manager: To me, what he is, is a fabulous middle manager. He's able to take instructions from management and implement them on the fly. He's much better at that than, say, Eric Wedge.


I think LA's FO had alot of input when Lasorda was managing and maybe when Alston was as well. The same goes for Oakland's FO under Beane. I forget if this was the case with Alderson when TLR wasn't around.

Need to get to work (And some sleep for that matter.)
   147. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2598544)
Was Allard Baird in charge of advanced scouting for the postseason? Whoever did it seems like they did a bangup job like Ed Jauss and crew back in '04.
   148. CFiJ Posted: October 29, 2007 at 01:28 PM (#2598548)
For someone not used having to manage NL games, [Francona] was very adept about using the double switch, the proper pinch runners, and the proper pinch hitters at the right points in the game.


Francona managed in the National League for four seasons. How could he not be used to NL games?

I was rooting for the Rockies -- gotta root for the underdog, and I would have liked to have seen the streak of different World Series champions each year continue. That said, there's a certain satisfaction in NOT seeing yet another WC team win the Series, and to actually see it taken by the team that had the best record. So congrats, Sox fans! Must feel great to be just another team now! :-)
   149. esturminator_CT Posted: October 29, 2007 at 01:42 PM (#2598565)
Great season and a great finish!

Congrats to all Red Sox fans. And thanks to Darren and all of the ST primates. What a terrific way to spend the past 7 months.

Thank you Phil and Lu for the Gold Dust Twins and the 7-0 run!

Congrats also to the Rox on a spectacular run leading up to the WS. Against anyone else I'd have had to root for that great young team of yours.

As a Red Sox fan of 42 years, it is a really strange feeling going through the post season with no sense of panic at any point. To have made a
transformation from the team you were confident would find some way to come up just short to the team you know will find a way to win is really
quite different.

Nice job by Francona, despite some speed bumps curtesy of the bullpen.

Sox could really use some horses that can throw 7 or 8 innings in their play-off starts in the future - hope this is Lester (terrific game!!!),
Buchholz, and another farm product. Oh, and please bring back Lowell. It would be great to watch this same core of players make a run a going
back-to-back (and perhaps beyond). I would not have said that about the 2004 club (great as that season was).
   150. John DiFool2 Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:06 PM (#2598593)
10. "I don't see a really good reason why I should give a #### about the rest of the games this year if the management doesn't."


That was me. I was upset, sorely pissed at them actually, precisely because I knew that the talent level of this team was significantly greater than they were playing at that moment, and I worried that they would never get their mojo back until the moment at which they were eliminated for good. That and certain Francona decisions which at the time made no sense at all; I've never seen a manager manage so completely differently in the playoffs than he did in the regular season-went from all slow hooks and no fast ones wayyyy over to the other extreme. I still don't get it but they got the Prize so it doesn't matter.
   151. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:15 PM (#2598602)
5. "Also, I'm willing ot accept not making the palyoffs at all if it gets Francona fired."

4. "Why can't I for once just have some sort of victory celebration without drama and endless F!@#ups?"


I'm relatively sure those were me.
   152. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:25 PM (#2598612)
I'm loving this new era of having a dominant team.

No more drama. No more contrived storylines. Just a great, great baseball team.
   153. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2598624)
congrats Sox fans. fun team, great season.
   154. villageidiom Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:35 PM (#2598629)
Seven-time World Champions. Gotta get used to saying that.

I've never seen a manager manage so completely differently in the playoffs than he did in the regular season-went from all slow hooks and no fast ones wayyyy over to the other extreme.

During the season you have to give players the opportunity to show they deserve your trust, even if it means an occasional loss. You also have to manage to the long-term health of your pitchers. In the playoffs you don't give a damn about any of that.

Yeah, babyyyy!!!!

And how about those diaper dandies? Ellsburt, Pedroia and Lester? Are they PTPers with a capital P or what??

Are you kiddiing me? Theo Epstein is saying "Look at me Ed Barrow! We're runnin', we're slashing", we're doin' the dipsy do.!!"


Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if kevin's real identity were Dick Vitale.
   155. jimfurtado Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:36 PM (#2598631)
You realize, don't you, that this century is starting out pretty much like the last one did? Then, they won two titles in the first 9 World Series (1903, 1912). This time, it's two in the first eight World Series (2004, 2007).

I've got some good news: three more are coming soon!!!

And I've got some bad news . . . . ;-)

Hmm, good times. I'll gladly take another three before a dry spell when I'm in the hereafter.

Unlike 2004, I was out and about with my brother when the Red Sox sealed the deal. For some reason this morning, I don't quite feel as tired as I should. Good times.

My only question is, when is the parade? I regretted missing the last one and don't want to make the same mistake.

Did I mention these are good times?
   156. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:37 PM (#2598633)
What an awesome team. Wooooooooooooo-hoooooooooooooo!
   157. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:39 PM (#2598636)
WOO! Congrats to everyone!

I posed this in the lounge, but it deserves a repost here:

I am interested in buying a Bobby Kielty Oakland A's player uniform t shirt. I'd appreciate any leads in this direction. Also, can Amazon hurry up and get the WS Box set up for preorder?
   158. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:44 PM (#2598651)
Jim, I was looking for parade info. Haven't found it yet.

Wok, are you the guy who stretched this page out? You like those long words.
   159. rr Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:53 PM (#2598671)
Congratulations to the Red Sox, the best team in the game. And a shout-out to the BTF Red Sox fans.
   160. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 29, 2007 at 02:56 PM (#2598679)
Well. 2 WS wins in my lifetime. Very odd. I was not moved to tears like I was in '04, but I was very happy. Almost like "this is fitting" b/c the Sox
the best team all season, so they should have one. Satisfied is the word I suppose. Maybe it just hasn't sunk in yet.
I think part of it is all the cereal pissing that has been going on in other portions of the site for the last week. That really has been a buzz
kill for me.

Congrats Sox! Off to the Yawkey Way store for hats!
   161. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2598759)
Here are the WPA numbers for the series as a whole:

0.521 Papelbon
0.293 Lester
0.271 Ellsbury
0.264 Lowell
0.209 Matsuzaka
0.140 Beckett
0.107 Okajima
0.105 Schilling
0.096 Pedroia
0.069 Ortiz
0.067 Kielty
0.055 Timlin
0.051 Drew
0.045 Youkilis
0.034 Crisp
0.012 Varitek
0.000 Gagne
0.000 Hinske
-0.001 Cora
-0.060 Delcarmen
-0.089 Lopez
-0.090 Ramirez
-0.097 Lugo
   162. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2598761)
Very odd. I was not moved to tears like I was in '04, but I was very happy. Almost like "this is fitting" b/c the Sox
the best team all season, so they should have one. Satisfied is the word I suppose.

I could have written this same emotion verbatim.
   163. Schilling's Sprained Ankiel Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:13 PM (#2598773)
So, why was Lowell the MVP? I thought it should have been Papelbon or Ellsbury.
   164. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2598776)
Parade on Tuesday.

I was hoping for a weekend parade.
   165. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2598777)
I was expecting Papelbon, yeah, and that was before I ran the numbers.
   166. 1k5v3L Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:19 PM (#2598781)
Two comments on the audience in CO:

1) the waving of crappy white towels is the most annoying thing ever. only ignorant bandwagon fans do it.

2) maybe FOX was intentionally picking the wrong sections, but the Rockies fans shown on tv were some of the most unattractive people you'll see. there were some butt-ugly faces out there. remind me to never date a Rockies fan from Denver. yikes.
   167. SoSH U at work Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:20 PM (#2598784)
So, why was Lowell the MVP? I thought it should have been Papelbon or Ellsbury.


I think Lowell was a good choice. He had significant contributions in all four games. Ellsbury didn't do much in either game in Boston, and Paps only had two tight games to close out.
   168. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:24 PM (#2598794)
I'm sure you're an Adonis, Levski.
   169. 1k5v3L Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:32 PM (#2598801)
EWK... of course I am.

If I'm watching two teams I don't really care about, is it too much to expect that the fans I see on TV are primo quality hotties? My guess is FOX tried.
   170. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2598821)
Updated numbers on World Series sweeps (initially posted this in the "Rockies Don't Belong" topic before Game 4)

Number of World Series sweeps: 20

MOST RUNS SCORED BY SWEEPING TEAM
37 Yankees vs Cubs, 1932
32 A's vs Giants, 1989
29 Red Sox vs Rockies, 2007
27 Yankees vs Cardinals, 1928
26 Yankees vs Padres, 1998
24 Red Sox vs Cardinals, 2004
23 Yankees vs Pirates, 1927
22 Yankees vs Cubs, 1938
22 Reds vs Yankees, 1976
22 Reds vs A's, 1990
21 Giants vs Indians, 1954
21 Yankees vs Braves, 1999
20 Yankees vs Reds, 1939
20 White Sox vs Astros, 2005
19 Cubs vs Tigers, 1907
18 Giants vs Yankees, 1922
16 Braves vs A's, 1914
13 Orioles vs Dodgers, 1966
12 Dodgers vs Yankees, 1963
11 Yankees vs Phillies, 1950

FEWEST RUNS ALLOWED BY SWEEPING TEAM
2 Orioles vs Dodgers, 1966
4 Dodgers vs Yankees, 1963
5 Yankees vs Phillies, 1950
6 Cubs vs Tigers, 1907
6 Braves vs A's, 1914
8 Yankees vs Reds, 1939
8 Reds vs Yankees, 1976
8 Reds vs A's, 1990
9 Yankees vs Cubs, 1938
9 Giants vs Indians, 1954
9 Yankees vs Braves, 1999
10 Yankees vs Pirates, 1927
10 Yankees vs Cardinals, 1928
10 Red Sox vs Rockies, 2007
11 Giants vs Yankees, 1922
12 Red Sox vs Cardinals, 2004
13 Yankees vs Padres, 1998
14 A's vs Giants, 1989
14 White Sox vs Astros, 2005
19 Yankees vs Cubs, 1932

LARGEST AGGREGATE RUN MARGIN
19 Red Sox vs Rockies, 2007
18 Yankees vs Cubs, 1932
18 A's vs Giants, 1989
17 Yankees vs Cardinals, 1928
14 Reds vs Yankees, 1976
14 Reds vs A's, 1990
13 Cubs vs Tigers, 1907
13 Yankees vs Pirates, 1927
13 Yankees vs Cubs, 1938
13 Yankees vs Padres, 1998
12 Yankees vs Reds, 1939
12 Giants vs Indians, 1954
12 Yankees vs Braves, 1999
12 Red Sox vs Cardinals, 2004
11 Orioles vs Dodgers, 1966
10 Braves vs A's, 1914
8 Dodgers vs Yankees, 1963
7 Giants vs Yankees, 1922
6 Yankees vs Phillies, 1950
6 White Sox vs Astros, 2005

AGGREGATE WIN PCT BY INNING (number of times leading-trailing-tied after each complete inning)
.986 Red Sox vs Cardinals, 2004 (35-0-1)
.972 A's vs Giants, 1989 (34-0-2)
.931 Dodgers vs Yankees, 1963 (31-0-5)
.875 Red Sox vs Rockies, 2007 (30-3-3)
.847 Orioles vs Dodgers, 1966 (25-0-11)
.847 Reds vs Yankees, 1976 (28-3-5)
.833 Cubs vs Tigers, 1907 (32-2-11)
.833 Yankees vs Pirates, 1927 (26-2-8)
.811 Giants vs Indians, 1954 (29-6-2)
.792 Yankees vs Phillies, 1950 (22-1-13)
.764 Yankees vs Cardinals, 1928 (26-7-3)
.750 Yankees vs Cubs, 1932 (26-8-2)
.750 Yankees vs Cubs, 1938 (24-6-6)
.708 Yankees vs Padres, 1998 (19-4-13)
.696 Giants vs Yankees, 1922 (26-8-12)
.692 Braves vs A's, 1914 (16-1-22)
.676 Yankees vs Reds, 1939 (17-4-16)
.646 White Sox vs Astros, 2005 (18-6-17)
.635 Yankees vs Braves, 1999 (19-9-9)
.597 Reds vs A's, 1990 (20-13-3)
   171. villageidiom Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:44 PM (#2598823)
Ellsbury didn't do much in either game in Boston

He fed America. ;-)

I was expecting Papelbon, yeah, and that was before I ran the numbers.

He performed well in high-leverage situations. No shock there.

1) the waving of crappy white towels is the most annoying thing ever. only ignorant bandwagon
fans do it.


I mentioned this in another thread. Before Game 2 every ticketholder in Boston got a yellow towel
(courtesy of DHL and MLB). We used ours to wipe peanut shells off our seats, then put them away.
I don't recall seeing anyone waving them at any point in the game.
   172. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:46 PM (#2598825)
0.000 Gagne

That strikes me as odd. He pitched a REALLY REALLY REALLY low leverage inning, but it was clean. How could his contribution STILL be zero?
   173. Answer Guy. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:49 PM (#2598830)
It seemed weird that the Indians and Rockies fans were waving white towels at the games at their respective ballparks. Isn't that a sign of surrender?
   174. Answer Guy. Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:50 PM (#2598833)
2) maybe FOX was intentionally picking the wrong sections, but the Rockies fans shown on tv were some of the most unattractive people you'll see. there were some butt-ugly faces out there. remind me to never date a Rockies fan from Denver. yikes.

I noticed that too, which is especially weird since that part of Denver (my younger bro lives near Coors Field) is full of attractive eye candy of both genders.
   175. 185/456(GGC) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:56 PM (#2598847)
The white towels started as the Terrible Towels that Steeler fans would use at Three Rivers during the Steelers dominant phase of the 70s, IIRC. The Twins used them as Homer Hankies one of their title years.

Myron Cope is the father of them, according to Whiskeypedia. Wasn't he recently linked in the newsblog?
   176. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 04:58 PM (#2598850)
"0.000 Gagne"

That strikes me as odd. He pitched a REALLY REALLY REALLY low leverage inning, but it was clean. How could his contribution STILL be zero?


I guess they had already maxed out their Win Expectancy, which is based on historical data, not the theoretical non-zero probability of coming back from a 12-run deficit with an inning or two to play. Timlin was given .000 for that game too.
   177. Toby Posted: October 29, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2598922)
I just wanted to stop by and say congratulations to all fellow Therapudlians (or Populitans, or whatever).

I've missed actively hanging around here this year but have been lurking as much as possible.

Many thanks to Darren, who has done a great job keeping the site fresh. I'll try to contribute more in the coming months.

My take on the season has been surreal. I really actively followed the team in spring training and thought everything seemed incredibly promising about this team. Then I got incredibly busy with work and other things and couldn't follow the team as much as in past years. And yet all season my sense that things were incredibly promising never waned. I just sort of expected this championship to happen. The postseason's a crapshoot, of course, so I certainly allowed for the possibility that it could go awry, but it just seemed like from opening day they were the favorites, they deserved to be the favorites, and they did it.

The Red Sox aren't the new Yankees -- they're the baseball Patriots!
   178. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 29, 2007 at 06:15 PM (#2598971)
I was 3 in 1986. I think it's how I managed to be an optimist. The only truly crushing series Sox fans my age (24) really experienced was the 2003 ALCS.

Same applies to me, except I was 2 in 1986 and 23 now. Well, 23 in 2 days, anyway.
   179. Nasty Nate Posted: October 29, 2007 at 07:17 PM (#2599063)
!!!!!
much honking of horns last night

free tacos and furniture....

lester $

the ginger
   180. villageidiom Posted: October 29, 2007 at 07:33 PM (#2599084)
free tacos and furniture

Oh, yeah, the Jordan's furniture promo back in April. That's right; I wonder how much they owe. Quick search on
the tubes tells me ABC News thinks it's more than $15 million worth of furniture.

Whatever... Warren Buffet owns them.
   181. Joel W Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:34 PM (#2599265)
They also have prize insurance.
   182. Josh Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:38 PM (#2599269)
I assume the insurance company did something like require an implied 5:1 bet, then turned around a made the 10:1 preseason bet.

Which would be pretty cool.
   183. Joel W Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:07 AM (#2599442)
I was actually thinking that if I were the people who bought the Jordan's furniture I would've bet like 1/3rd of the price of the furniture on the Rockies.
   184. Tony Ling Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:21 AM (#2599459)
I realize I'm incredibly late to the party re: changing the name of Sox Therapy, but...does the name really have to be changed? After all, this team is still going to drive us crazy, make us sweat, bring out sides of us we'd prefer not to have brought out, and cause us emotional pain. Of course, it won't be the same emotional pain as pre-2004, but it will be pain nonetheless. And it's worth remembering that pain. Because it makes days like today all the sweeter, when the only emotion is sheer, unadulterated joy.

So that's my vote. Keep the name the same. Although "Sox Populi" really was quite clever.
   185. Nasty Nate Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:36 AM (#2599478)
happy offseason boys. may the spring come quick
   186. tfbg9 Posted: October 30, 2007 at 12:51 AM (#2599495)
8. "I hate this Sox team, no killer instinct at all."


Guilty. Well, they did let the MFY's off the mat a half-dozen times.

WE WON!!! WOO-F*CKIN'-HOO!!!
   187. Nasty Nate Posted: October 30, 2007 at 01:01 AM (#2599505)
Papelbon's first 175 MLB innings (including playoffs): 202 K's, 1.49 ERA.

not too shabby to start your career
   188. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 30, 2007 at 01:52 AM (#2599548)
When do tickets for the Japan opening series come on sale?

I'm soooo going.
   189. Xander Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:33 AM (#2599588)
may the spring come quick
Eh. I could use some time off right now. I might not be singing that tune in one month though.
   190. Hugh Jorgan Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:56 AM (#2599610)
To reiterate, wooooo-effing-hoooo. Yes, it makes the next 5 months very enjoyable.
And I am old enough to remember both '75 and '86, so 2004 and 2007 make up for those. So right now, I'm even stevens, I want at least another title to balance it out...
   191. Nasty Nate Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:58 AM (#2599612)
Eh. I could use some time off right now


well yeah. i could use some regular sleep, and my lungs need a break from the many hurried between-innings cigarettes.
   192. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 30, 2007 at 06:28 AM (#2599839)
Best thing about the 5 months off, is we get into summer, while you guys freeze your ass off!!!
   193. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 30, 2007 at 06:35 AM (#2599844)
Phil, I heard you were coming here to Taipei. Is this true?
   194. Phil Coorey. Posted: October 30, 2007 at 07:10 AM (#2599853)
Phil, I heard you were coming here to Taipei. Is this true?

I wish.

We were considering coming to Japan for the Red Sox series, but think it will be impossible to get tickets.
   195. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 30, 2007 at 09:14 AM (#2599867)
They haven't started selling them yet I don't think.

I'll try for the tickets for sure.
   196. plim Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:15 PM (#2599983)
176. Bamberger Helper (EWK) Posted: October 29, 2007 at 12:56 PM (#2598847)

The white towels started as the Terrible Towels that Steeler fans would use at Three Rivers during the Steelers dominant phase of the 70s, IIRC. The Twins used them as Homer Hankies one of their title years.


Yeah, but at least the terrible towels were yellow! colorado and cleveland could've made their towels purple or black and blue or red, instead of surrender white!

188. Nasty Nate Posted: October 29, 2007 at 09:01 PM (#2599505)

Papelbon's first 175 MLB innings (including playoffs): 202 K's, 1.49 ERA.

not too shabby to start your career


not to mention, back to back .776 or lower whip. only one other reliever had numbers like that, and it was done almost 20 years ago...so no nen, hoffman, mariano, percival, wagner (in fact, i don't think any of those guys had a single season (let alone multiple) with an era of 1.85 or lower and a whip of 0.776 or lower...
   197. plim Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:16 PM (#2599986)
p.s. why isn't this thread showing up on the main page anywhere? not on blogpen, not on featured. if i didn't know better, i'd say it was yankee bias!
   198. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:31 PM (#2600009)
Phil, if you ever come to DC, you can stay at my place for free as long as you want.

I'm headed to DC next year. We should grab a beer and do some leg presses
   199. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:44 PM (#2600032)
THE GAUNTLET HAS BEEN LAID!!!
Edit: We're not writing SAT practice exams together. I no longer have the attention span to sit through one of them.
   200. tfbg9 Posted: October 30, 2007 at 02:53 PM (#2600044)
THE GAUNTLET HAS BEEN LAID!!!


Nah, joke's too easy. Pass.

WOO-HOO!!!
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