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Apparently he isn't, but this makes little sense to me. Choi is a better fit on the Dodgers than he is on the BoSox.
He has an option left. I have a feeling he'll be mashing AAA pitching in April.
It should be pretty obvious that Choi should be the starting 1B and Youkilis should be the starting 3B, though. So obvious that I almost have faith that it'll happen
What is it about Choi, anyway?
Start out with Walker and Mueller sharing time at second; Mueller and Hillenbrand sharing 3rd; Hillenbrand, Millar, and Ortiz sharing 1B; Millar, Giambi, and Nixon sharing RF; and everyone taking turns at DH. After a month or two, drop the worst one, and trade away one of the redundant pieces to fill any remaining holes.
What will JT Snow do, then?
I suppose I understand that Loomey may go to AAA, but you don't dump a cheap Choi for no reason. Odd. Very odd.
Wait, what year is this?
I'm really confused now.
<rap>
Yo, what's your problem, Ned Colletti
make good trades; quit slurpping spaghetti
You had a firstbaseman by the name of Choi
he brought Dodgers fans homers and joy
Whenever he'd start, he'd flat out rake
but Tracy didn't like him but Phillips the fake
Hee-Seop'd crush the ball when playin' each day
While Phillips at the plate: Mr. Double Play
Like Sam ######' M. that's just gay
how Tracy just raped Choi's playin' time
managin' so bad, it was a crime
I'm so pissed off, I'm done with this rhyme
</rap>
weak. really weak.
JT Snow, aside from 1997 and an extended hot streak in 2004, has bounced from "suck" to "won't hurt you" throughout his career (not to mention being one of the more overrated defenders of all time), so I think any plate appearance going from him to Choi is an upgraded plate appearance.
(Important note: I am highly prejudiced against JT Snow and am unwilling to listen to reason.)
Anyway, the Angels have been talking about trading a reliever for a veteran lefty bench-guy, so I fear that this move portends putting Snow on the block.
Do y'all still have Petagine around?
I think Petagine's in Mariners camp this spring.
a good rant would be fine. your crappy rhymes, not so much.
What about when Nomar gets hurt? Do you think he'll actually be healthy?
Still miss Jim Abbott?
IIRC Snow can't be traded yet without his consent. Of course the writing is on the wall so I doubt he'd block a trade.
Then again if no one would throw in even an A ball arm for him and 25 teams passed on him on the waiver wire im starting to think that there are problems we cant see (i mean performance/ability problems..not implying secret personal or attitude things)
He's blocked by Nomar. Not a good reason by itself, but let me continue.
They were at the limit on the 40-man roster. Assuming they were trying to make room, optioning him to the minors doesn't solve that. And given that 1B is taken for a while, he's just taking up space on the 40-man.
To get him off the 40-man they needed to trade him or waive him. Assuming the Dodgers were trying to work a deal, nobody would have traded for Choi. I mean, look... about two dozen teams would have had to pass on Choi in order for the Red Sox to be able to claim him off waivers. If two dozen teams won't even claim him, they certainly wouldn't trade for him.
The only other choice for the Dodgers would be to try to remove him from the 40-man roster but keep him... and IIRC to do that Choi would have had to pass through waivers. Alas.
Now, all of this assumes the Dodgers were trying to clear out space on the 40-man. The only reason that makes sense is if (a) someone important is coming off the 60-day DL, or (b) they're about to trade away a prospect for a big leaguer. Since I don't think the former is true, that implies another shoe will drop soon.
Was it you that said a week or so ago "Hee-Seop Choi + Kevin Youkilis = Wet Spreadsheets"? If so, it was classic and worth bringing up again.
I don't think they'd have played Choi when he got hurt.
Still miss Jim Abbott?
A little bit, but it's more than that. The Luis Sojo triple in the 1995 AL West playoff game was the last straw.
I also react irrationally against the overrated, as I felt Snow's defense was when he was with the Halos.
He thinks he has a better chance with Boston because he doesn't know the situation there.
The one thing that his leadership has been marked by, most of all, is a nearly pathological depth fetish. The Sox now have too much depth at every position except C. I love it.
Assuming that Graffanino has to disappear at some point -
C Varitek, Bard
1B Youkilis, Choi, Snow
2B Loretta, Cora, Petunia
SS Gonzalez, Cora, Petunia
3B Lowell, Youkilis
LF Manny, Wily Mo, (Stern)
CF Crisp, Stern, (Wily Mo)
RF Nixon, Wily Mo, (Stern)
DH The Greatest Hero in American History, Wily Mo
A week or two ago, I was kinda all, eh, about the season and the roster. I am seriously coming around.
Very nice PECOTA projection - 265/365/490 in Dodger Stadium.
As with the Wily Mo acquisition, this makes Tito's job significantly more complicated - well, if and when Hee Seop joins the roster, we're looking at some new job rotations that will be needed. My guess is he's going to AAA unless the team has significantly soured on one of the bodyquickness twins.
Sweeney's pretty much a full-time DH right now - the 1B is Mr. Intangibles himself, Doug Mientkiewicz.
I think it's just the case that almost no one thinks he can play, and several teams that might think he can already have their 1B situation lined up.
Not saying he's a better alternative to some of the spare parts I just listed, but KC would either have to take on more salary commitment, or trade away someone less desirable than Choi to make room for him within the waiver claim period. I'm certain they weren't prepared to do either.
I'm with the folks who favor putting Choi at 1st, Youk back at 3rd, Lowell on the bench, and packaging Snow in trade for anyone under 22.
Let's hope Sox fans and media don't treat him like the last pretty good young Korean that played in Boston.
(Not that anybody cares, but the Panthers won 5-2 and are now 4-0 in the brutal Maramonte League.)
This is why GMing should be left to the experts (and Jim Bowden.)
Ehhh...hard to make that comparison. The Lee trade was a salary dump by a cheap franchise, plain and simple...it wasnt a talent based trade
Yeah, Snow blocking himself does sound kind of silly.
And wasn't that minor league arm Dontrelle Willis?
...No. It was Mike Nannini, who has yet to play in the majors.
Willis had already won Rookie of the Year by the time of the Choi deal. The Cubs gave him up in the deal that netted them Matt Clement and Antonio Alfonseca.
Wow, the Cubs really sold at the right time with him...
Mike Nannini
3B: Mark Loretta
SS: Defensiev outmachine
2B: Graffanino
1B: Choi/Youkiis platoon
Well, all trades are about money, but that's a nit. If you go back and read Cub fan response to the trade here, then you'd get a different impression.
Who had priority over the Red Sox on this one? How many teams let him slide before the Red Sox claimed him?
Thanks!
David Ortiz supposedly had holes in his swing before coming to Boston (like Choi, after his age 26 season). He was coming off his best season, in which he hit 20 HRs in 412 ABs, hitting 339/500 overall.
Choi last year was only 336/453, but he's had a harder time getting ABs than Ortiz did (who played when healthy). Choi did look great in his last half-season in FLA; given his track record up that point, I tend to think that wasn't a fluke, and that he can become a solid 360/500 hitter.
My guess is Boston will put him in AAA to start the season. The parallel with 2003 and Ortiz/Giambi/Hillenbrand/Millar is an interesting one, but all those guys were young-ish and unestablished, which is not exactly the case with Snow and Lowell. I'm guessing the Sox give Lowell a chance and hold onto Snow. But they certainly have some options.
I read an article over at Hardball Times recently (by Ben Jacobs?) arguing that LA had the best offseason in baseball. About the Nomar signing he said something like "And they have Choi in case Nomar falters or gets hurt." My first thought was, No, signing Nomar means they may dump Choi; paying millions to block good young players is generally not a good idea. Maybe Colletti's got another move coming up, as some have speculated above. Even if he does, though, couldn't he have released someone else? Was Choi really their least useful player?
Mostly I'm just glad I don't have to defend ludicrous trade proposals for Carlos Pena anymore.
"artists" spit out the term as a devastating slight upon their enemies, simultaneously incorporating BTF personality Sam M. into the lyrics. He also said a bad word in #5.
That said, maybe you wanna watch that stuff kid?
[sits back smugly, pours the Jack Daniels]
The one thing that [Theo's] leadership has been marked by, most of all, is a nearly pathological depth fetish. The Sox now have too much depth at every position except C. I love it.
Amen to that. But this is the way you cope with a "high variance" array of talent: you build in redundancy after fallback after contingency. Got 'em.
But the key is YOUR SKIPPER MUST BE WILLING TO CUT BAIT ON FAILED EXPERIMENTS. Giving endless playing time to guys just because they used to be good or look good in jeans won't cut it. Tito is, therefore, on the spot. And J.T. better rent month-to-month.
Finally, count me among those who are astounded that so many other teams so foolishly passed on this cheap chance to upgrade, especially given Choi's low salary and the minor league option. Unfreakinbelievable.
brilliantly? right.
You know, gullible is not in the dictionary. Really.
I guess you've been a little bit confused and distracted ever since your hero Chavez' Band of Useful Idiots were eliminated and Ichiro and Friends steamrollered the Island Convicts.
He already almost made it through waivers so that might not be an issue. Nobobdy ever changes their mind!
He started last year at 2yrs, 27 days. He played 25 games in the minors last year. So it should be really close one way or another.
If Choi can be sent to AAA, it would give him a couple months to work on some of his holes in his swing as well as reasserting the importance of his discipline. Then you find the least painful way to make either Snow or Lowell go away.
Every NL team, plus every AL team that finished with a worse record than the Red Sox in 2005.
(Because Choi was on an NL team, NL teams get priority over AL teams. And otherwise it goes by current standings; until early May, they go by last year's standings.)
And I don't understand how he'd have options left. He's entering his eighth season as a pro (signed 3/4/99), and been on a 40-man roster for four seasons (first added 11/15/01). I think once he's past six and three, respectively, he's out of options. And I think it's not an either/or proposition... He has to exceed both thresholds.
For comparison, Youkilis turned pro in mid-2001 (this is his 5th full season) and joined the 40-man in 11/2003 (two seasons ago). He's got options coming out the wazoo.
As for his options, I think I read that the Dodgers press release went out of its way to say that Loney would be starting at AAA, so that's why the Dodgers didn't want to put Choi in AAA. That would indicate that they had an option to as well.
Choi finalizes the reality that the Red Sox are a team with a lot of depth. I would really like to see them knock off the MFYs in the division race this year.
I'd like the see the Sox try to get one more sinker/slider reliable 5th starter type; too much of OLe' P.'s redudancy for Schill (94 mph yesterday), Wells (jerk), is made up of rookie-type guys: Pap and Lester. I was surprised how often good starters struggle big time as rooks when I checked it out on BB-Ref.
Vs Lefties:
3B Loretta
SS Outmachine
2B Graffanino
1B Youkilis
Vs Righties
3B Youkilis
SS Outmachine
2B Loretta
1B Choi
Lowell/Snow to anybody for some live arms under 22.
What IS exciting is that the Sox just signed a player who is (1) younger than JT Snow, and (2) better than JT Snow. That he has the potential to be very good is icing at this point compared to the fact that the Sox now have insurance in case Snow and Lowell make like Hoover vacuum cleaners.
I mean, maybe he does flail badly at lots of pitches -- his career OPS+ is STILL better than that of either Youkilis or Snow, at this point. Even if Choi is never as good as he could be, RIGHT NOW he may be the best first baseman on the Red Sox (give or take Youkilis's continued improvement, and so forth).
Oh, and the Sox got him for essentially nothing.
All in all, it's hard not to get excited about the move.
(In response to tfbg's defense, I'd say the tone of the rest of the rap did not lead me to believe that the use of 'gay' was in anyway ironic or a commentary on rap artists who use that word.)
At the risk of turning this into a referendum on religion, coming from a kid who professes to be born again, this isn't the first unprovoked offensive comment he's made about homosexuality, IIRC. And if I read one comment about "intolerance" of born agains because of the above, I may scream.
How's this for 2007?
LF: Manny
CF: Crisp
RF: Pena
3B: Youkilis
SS: Pedroia
2B: Any one of the many solid FAs
1B: Choi
,C: Varitek
DH: Ortiz
I know I'm getting way ahead of myself, but that's a pretty solid starting 10 that also leaves buckets of cash for pitching. Only LF and C make bigtime bucks; DH and CF and, perhaps, 2B, are more mid-range; and everyone else, I believe, comes pretty cheap.
It may not turn out at all that way, of course, but I like the possibilities.
In 2007, Loretta will be 35. 2Bmen tend not to age very well. He's also not under contract beyond 2006 and will be seeking a multiyear deal.
FWIW, PECOTA's 5 year forecast projects Loretta to have a .276 EQA with below-average defense (and out of baseball after the 2008 season).
IMHO, the Red Sox would be best served by letting him walk after 2006 (offer him arbitration to get the picks as I'm pretty sure he'll be a Class A, and if he accepts the worst case you have a highly useful supersub for one year, even if he's slightly overpaid).
That should have read ".276 EQA for 2007 with below average defense."
And I don't think the problem here is intolerance of born agains, I think the problem at BTF is outright hatred of born agains, and sometimes just plain old people of faith period. I've seen dozens and dozens of mocking, sneering posts that reflect this hatred, many times more than I've that reflect any anti-gay sentiment. Scream away, Bivvo.
Unprovoked? I haven't. But I have seen unprovoked comments lamenting the abundance of non believers on BTF.
My bad. In my haste, I didn't see "2007".
though I have to say I don't see why one shouldn't tolerate homophobia just as readily as gayhood.
This is the kind of ridiculous thing that Bivens is talking about. How you can say this and then decry excessive PC-ness is unreal.
Sorry about that.
You'd let your kids run with scissors, wouldn't you?
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