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   1. villageidiom Posted: June 03, 2016 at 02:06 PM (#5235733)
Rick Porcello is annoying but the money is spent and with this offense a guy who can milk 6-7 innings without getting completely overwhelmed is a positive.
I was a little surprised that they took Porcello out after only 81 pitches, when the bullpen clearly has been overtaxed and underperforming most recently. He was not great, giving up 3 HR in 6 IP, but the bullpen gave up 4 HR in 2 IP which (fiddles with an abacus) is not as good. Easy to second-guess, I know, and maybe giving someone a break when he doesn't have his best stuff is the way to go.

   2. bbmck Posted: June 03, 2016 at 02:25 PM (#5235751)
Pitching Payroll

Boston Red Sox $90,977,058, 101 ERA+
Detroit Tigers $87,885,005, 91 ERA+
Chicago Cubs $85,236,000, 155 ERA+
New York Yankees $83,578,385, 102 ERA+
Los Angeles Dodgers $76,856,567, 112 ERA+

Washington Nationals $67,682,564, 143 ERA+
San Francisco Giants $67,058,410, 109 ERA+
St. Louis Cardinals $60,383,539, 97 ERA+
Texas Rangers $58,439,079, 113 ERA+
Arizona Diamondbacks $56,466,137, 91 ERA+
Price 87 ERA+ and Porcello 111 ERA+ $51,625,000

Every other team spends less on pitching than the Red Sox spend on that duo. Still, could be worse.
   3. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 03, 2016 at 07:12 PM (#5235998)
David Ortiz is at a 197 OPS+. He has 40 XBH. The man is a miracle.
   4. Captain Joe Bivens, Pointless and Wonderful Posted: June 03, 2016 at 07:22 PM (#5236005)
Clay Buchholz has value as a middle reliever, and I'd even use him in the 7th or 8th innings. He's better than Tazawa, and I'd say at this stage he could be better than Koji. Not having to pace himself to pitch 6 or 7 innings a game helps him. He has good movement on his hard stuff, so I see him being a success in this role.

I hate him as a starter.
   5. Dan Posted: June 03, 2016 at 08:36 PM (#5236040)
What the hell is wrong with Price?
   6. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: June 03, 2016 at 11:35 PM (#5236133)
??? I don't think anything is wrong with Price and I don't think I suggested otherwise. Or are you saying you think something is wrong with Price in which case...what are you talking about? He didn't have his best stuff tonight it looked like (I was at the game, can be tough to tell) but 7 innings, 3 runs against that lineup is fine. Five straight quality starts since noted pitching coach Dustin Pedroia fixed him.
   7. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 04, 2016 at 03:18 AM (#5236193)
nothing is wrong with Price. How many runs has the pen coughed up over the last 3 games? I find it frustating when the pen can't keep a game close. It just eliminates any chance of a reasonable comeback(unless you're playing the Padres)
   8. Jay Seaver Posted: June 04, 2016 at 03:22 AM (#5236194)
Well, other than being a very capable mole - nice peripherals and won-loss record to throw investigators off scent but still managing that 5+ ERA and looking just good enough that there's not something obviously wrong. I'm not sure whether he's still working for Tampa or Toronto yet; that probably won't become clear until later in the year.
   9. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 04, 2016 at 03:49 AM (#5236196)
I'm pissed off that Dombrowski finally picked now to assemble a decent bullpen.
   10. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 04, 2016 at 08:10 AM (#5236206)
What the hell is wrong with Price?

You mean other than a 4.88 ERA? Can't think of a thing.
   11. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: June 05, 2016 at 12:05 PM (#5236719)
Swihart and Hanigan to the DL, Noe to Pawtucket, Sandy Leon, Heath Hembree and Rusney Castillo called up.
   12. Norcan Posted: June 05, 2016 at 12:46 PM (#5236736)
Price has been very good since his mechanical tweak. He's been right about as expected. Of course his terrible start is going to weigh down his numbers heavily to this point but I feel good about the Red Sox chances of winning every time he takes the mound now.

It's frustrating to hear that Hanigan has been dealing with a neck strain for more than a week and the Red Sox still kept trotting him out there while Swihart was on the roster. If they're not going to have Swihart catch even while their backup catcher is hampered with a physical ailment, I guess they're fully committed to his position change. As good as he's looked defensively at left, the combination of his defense and hitting ability at catcher is so much more appealing. They can't even blame the pitching staff's struggles on him anymore since they've been getting pounded with Hanigan or Vazquez behind the plate.
   13. TomH Posted: June 06, 2016 at 08:46 AM (#5237165)
June 6th team stats update, re: two-baggers.

Fenway is a huge booster for hitting doubles. But even so, the Sawx are really popping them in 2016. With 148 in 57 games, that's on pace for 421, smashing the MLB record. They are 33 2Bs ahead of the 2nd place team (Rockies). And the Rockies are only 38 ahead of the FEWEST doubles hitters.

Taking MLB team stats, the avg team has hit 95.5 doubles in 56.6 games, stdev of 14.0. The Sox are 3.7 std devs above avg (prorating 2B hit by games played). If you take Boston out of the overall stats, they are a stunning 5.3 std devs above average. That's what the statisticians call a clear outlier.

   14. bbmck Posted: June 06, 2016 at 09:00 AM (#5237175)

Team   G 2B   PA
PIT   29 63 1178
ARI   30 57 1182
TBR   29 57 1145
CIN   27 57 1001
WSN   31 57 1208
BOS   26 55 1040 


Team   G 2B   PA
BOS   31 93 1222
STL   31 71 1166
COL   25 67  986
HOU   31 59 1207
TEX   30 57 1114
CLE   29 57 1102 

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   15. bbmck Posted: June 06, 2016 at 09:16 AM (#5237181)
Since 1913, doubles in 7%+ of AB in a Home or Road split, has only happened at home:

BOS (13): 1949, 1988, 1993, 1995, 2003-05, 2008-09, 2011-13, 2016
CLE (9): 1921-23, 1926-27, 1930-31, 1934, 1936
STL (3): 1930-31, 1939
PHI (2): 1930, 1932

COL (1): 2016
MON (1): 1994
KCR (1): 1978
PHA (1): 1928

Highest % is 2016 BOS 8.5% of AB are 2B, followed by 1931 STL 8.1% of AB are 2B. 1931 Cardinals at home with 10+ 2B:

Player             G 2B  PA   OPS
Sparky Adams      70 29 315  .836
Chick Hafey       69 25 281 1.125
Jim Bottomley     46 20 167  .977
Pepper Martin     57 18 182  .964

Charlie Gelbert   64 18 240  .784
George Watkins    66 15 270  .802
Ripper Collins    52 14 191  .933
Frankie Frisch    59 14 248  .783

Jake Flowers      28 10  99  .704
Ernie Orsatti     33 10  69  .883
Jimmie Wilson     54 10 192  .743
Gus Mancuso       34 10 111  .822 

2016 Red Sox at Home:

Player               G 2B  PA   OPS
David Ortiz         29 22 126 1.288
Travis Shaw         31 14 126  .926
Xander Bogaerts     31 11 141  .958
Mookie Betts        31 10 145  .882
Jackie Bradley      31  9 125 1.019

Hanley Ramirez      31  8 132  .668
Dustin Pedroia      30  6 132  .850
Chris Young         20  5  50  .827
Josh Rutledge       14  4  27  .781
Christian Vazquez   21  2  73  .523

Ryan Hanigan        12  1  38  .492
Brock Holt          19  1  65  .596
Blake Swihart        9  0  34  .796
Marco Hernandez      7  0   8  .929 

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Generated 6/6/2016.
   16. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: June 06, 2016 at 02:01 PM (#5237478)
Splendid Splinter vs. Big Papi final season face-off!
David Ortiz through 51 games: 224 PA, 16 HR, 54 RBI, .340 BA, .424 OBP, .732 SLG, 1.156 OPS, 200 OPS+
Ted Williams through 51 games: 155 PA, 14 HR, 32 RBI, .347 AVG, .477 OBP, .752 SLG, 1.229 OPS, ~200 OPS+
   17. bbmck Posted: June 06, 2016 at 02:20 PM (#5237507)
Ortiz vs Ortiz, first 51 games of season (18 seasons, 0 games in '97 and '99):

SLG, OPS, 2B & WPA: 1st
3B & CS: T1st
BA, OBP, HR & RBI: 2nd
Hits, IBB, SB & SH: T2nd
BB: 6th

Runs: 7th
SF: T8th
SO & HBP: T9th
PA & AB: 10th
GIDP: 13th

Big ties with 0: SH is a 17 way tie, HBP is 10 way and CS 15 way.
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 06, 2016 at 03:14 PM (#5237553)
1. David Ortiz.


Question for Therapudians: Assuming he can only do one*, would you rather see David Ortiz, in this his 41st year on earth, break Earl Webb's 85-year-old doubles record or win the Triple Crown. He's currently is third in BA (.012 behind Victor Martinez), third in homers (two behind co-leaders Trumbo and Frasier) and leading in RBIs.

* Obviously this question is strictly hypothetical. In real life, we should expect him to do both.
   19. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: June 06, 2016 at 03:35 PM (#5237569)
Oh wow. I've always had a thing for both those achievements. The Triple Crown has always fascinated me and I was so excited when Cabrera did it a couple years ago but the doubles record is really intriguing too. Something like that held by such a nondescript guy like Webb is fascinating to me. I think if I had to choose I'd take the triple crown but it's hard to pick one or the other.
   20. bbmck Posted: June 06, 2016 at 03:47 PM (#5237579)
Breaking Webb's record also passes Yaz and passes Ted (525) for 2nd as a Red Sox, min 2B to break Webb's record:

Player              2B OPS+    PA
Tris Speaker       792  157 11995
Pete Rose          746  118 15890
Stan Musial        725  159 12718
Ty Cobb            724  168 13087
Craig Biggio       668  112 12504
George Brett       665  135 11625

Nap Lajoie         657  150 10461
David Ortiz        652  141  9689
Carl Yastrzemski   646  130 13992
Honus Wagner       643  151 11749
Hank Aaron         624  155 13941 

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Generated 6/6/2016.

Also gives him a little more breathing room over Beltre 573. Pujols with 588 is very likely to pass Ortiz assuming he plays until the end of his contract and Miggy with 503 is in very good shape to pass Ortiz assuming Papi does retire after this season.
   21. villageidiom Posted: June 06, 2016 at 04:24 PM (#5237610)
Question for Therapudians: Assuming he can only do one*, would you rather see David Ortiz, in this his 41st year on earth, break Earl Webb's 85-year-old doubles record or win the Triple Crown. He's currently is third in BA (.012 behind Victor Martinez), third in homers (two behind co-leaders Trumbo and Frasier) and leading in RBIs.

Unlike Jose I don't get so riled up over the triple crown, but in all honesty I'd rather he get the triple crown than the doubles record. For a player who has developed somewhat of a legendary status as it is, earning the triple crown in one's final season would be so friggin' legendary. The doubles record in his last season is nice obscure barroom trivia. Triple crown in his last season is a mic drop.
   22. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: June 06, 2016 at 10:21 PM (#5237817)
I have to say that this Sox team is very compelling, with its combination of homegrown stars, aging heroes, and flaws. No, it's not really as good as the '04 or '07 teams, but it's much more fun to me than the last WS squad, which I had serious difficulty falling in love with, for whatever reason. Maybe it's just that JBJ & Mookie & Bogaerts are far more fun players to watch than Petey & the Rent-a-Stars were. Maybe it's that the iffy rotation means that any given game could be an adventure. I realize that Sox fans have been spoiled for the last 15 years, but this is a really enjoyable team, in a way they haven't been in a while.

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